As much as I loathe how Baylor evaded any responsibility for their crimes, these guys aggressively cover entire big 12 like no other. I’ve come around on them, I actually think their outsized YouTube presence is a bit of a strength for big 12 brand.
ESPN, Fox Open Discussions for Next Big 12 Deal
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As much as I loathe how Baylor evaded any responsibility for their crimes, these guys aggressively cover entire big 12 like no other. I’ve come around on them, I actually think their outsized YouTube presence is a bit of a strength for big 12 brand.
They need to do a little research on UCONN or Temple...
Couldn't agree more. They have become my go to afternoon show after Chris left KXNO.
Come again? I'm further behind than I thought. Why on earth would the SEC want Arizona?
Guessing that was speculation from some random potato on the internet
Look at our conference history. Who was the first team to cave when things got hot back in 2010?
Colorado is the canary in the coal mine.
Utah fans/decision makers should study USF and UCF and realize they have a chance at the USF path.
Speculation but not the craziest speculation. New market, new time zone, one add that doesn’t totally spread them out. When ACC blows up I could see AZ equal to the second tier of those ACC options, more for sec than big 10.
The SEC situation has to be examined by the Big 12 head honchos. The Big ten and other conferences are pushing the 'all' timezones mantra. Well, the SEC is in 2 or the 4 and thats it. They will look at the west coast at some time I would think. I would not be extremely surprised if Oregon and Washington would be considered if as possibilities. They may be worth more to the SEC than the big ten for this reason. Is there a huge travel difference between the big ten and SEC for those two schools? Outside of USC and UCLA, I don't think there is. To me, Oregon and Washington may want to delay this whole thing to wait until the SEC decides they need late games.
The SEC currently has a pretty tight footprint. It will be curious if they have interest in adding west coach schools like Oregon & Washington. The 4 corner schools make make more sense as they would compliment OU, Texas and A&M. But not sure the money is there for the SEC in 2024.
The speculation is the Big10, Big12 and Pac12 contracts will line up before the SEC's current agreement with ESPN is up in 2033. So both the Big10 & SEC can sit back and see how ACC, Pac12 and Big12 develop their media worth over their next decade.
Now you are heading in the AFC / NFC direction for CFB. B1G and SEC each with 32 teams covering the whole country. That makes UW/OU much more valuable targets for both leagues.
That's a little scary for ISU, in that I am not 100% sure they make that cut - depends on the criteria people use. SEC might desperately want some upper midwest, or they might prefer M4 plus Oregon plus some eventual ACC teams. They probably wouldn't eat the entire Big12, because of saving space for some ACC teams that are bette
Post OuT and USCLA, you now have 69 teams (16+16+14+12+10+ND) in the P5, which suggests 5 losers. WSU and OSU probably, and maybe someone from the ACC, but if you want coast to coast conference, now those M4 schools might look better than an ISU or KSU. Also maybe Cal?
Here's hoping for three 24 team leagues and not two 32 team leagues...
I think you will have 2 24s at least. May not be great for ISU but we’d have a good chance. Longer we have Matt and TJ cranking things out, better we look. I know it’s mostly football but a team like Kansas is a threat due to MBB I doubt they get left behind.
ISU just has to continue the course over the next decade that we have been on since Pollard come to ISU. That means hiring great coaches in FB & MBB. If ISU can have top 25 teams and put 70k fans in Jack Trice and 14k fans in Hilton- that might be tough for SEC or Big10 to ignore.
And MBB and WBB and Baseball and…..
it was becoming the best conference. The powers that be couldn’t have that and sowed the discontent.
Can't help but wonder if things would be different if the ISU athletics dept was at where it stands in 2022 back in say 2000. Know we had basketball success but facilities and I’m guessing revenue were likely miles behind where they should have been. Maybe if we were a solid force in the B12 north that could have enticed Nebby and CO to stay.
I understand a lot of this stuff was far out of ISUs control with Neb and TX playing the ego game. But I always will wonder where we’d be now if we were at this point 20yrs ago
Maybe, maybe the SEC, if they want to expand their footprint North. In reality though, fans in the stands does not matter to either the SEC or the Big 10. It's all about how many TV sets you can gather for the networks. The Big 10 already has Iowa, so ISU would have to become a National Brand for the Big 10 to look our way.
I don't think either are likely, but imo, I would think the SEC would come looking before the Big 10 if the SEC was looking to expand North. Plus, we do have some history with teams in the SEC now, with Mizzou, OU, aTm and Texas, so I could see some value in ISU in the SEC in that respect. That is still a stretch though.
I honestly hate to admit it, but without Iowa tanking their football program completely or ISU winning a couple National Championships, we add no value to the Big 10 at all, no matter how many fans we have in the seats.
That's why I don't think Arizona is a crazy piece of speculation for SEC some day. It expands to a market and time zone with just one addition in a way that doesn't make the craziest footprint. Having flown from LA to Florida frequently I could only imagine Seattle to Florida/Georgia/Alabama is quite a flight. AZ to those locations might be half the time of PNW.
I'm for adding all four mountain schools. No way SEC/Big Ten will ever add all four of them. So you have 5 true mountain region schools...you lose maaaaybe one or maaaaybe two someday, no big deal, you're still top conference in vast majority of those regions along with having lots of programs in central and eastern time zones.
Yeah...
OKSt
KU
KSU
ISU
WVU
Baylor
Tech
TCU
BYU
Houston
Cincy
UCF
***All of them not going anywhere at all
vs
Washington ST
Ore St
Maybe Cal
Maybe Stanford
Maybe Arizona
Maybe Arizona St
Maybe Colorado
Maybe Utah
This thing is virtually over from the AZ/Utah/Colorado perspective. It seems pretty over with Washington/Oregon. It seems pretty over for WSU/OreSt in a bad way. Cal/Stanford are the biggest question marks.
The only other question marks are does the Big 12 try to get cute and only have one team in AZ and Utah? Stay at that 14 and make your next moves when ACC gets exploded? If Big 12 leaves out ASU and Utah, then best of mountain west could jump to join those 4-6 Pac leftovers to create a league slightly more valuable than current MWC.
Oregon and Washington fit what the SEC expansion model has been in the past. They've looked for football strength and want to put the best product possible on the field. Oklahoma, Texas, A&M, and even Missouri (they were a good program when they jumped) are traditionally good football programs.
Arizona State and Stanford would fit the normal Big Ten model for expansion which has been based on market size (with the exception of Nebbie). The Big Ten wants their product readily available to as many eyeballs as possible.
