TAM NIL amounts revealed

[jcyclonee]

Just the straight cash, you throw in the scholly, clothing and other perks and it probably doubles.

Out-of-state, it would about triple it. I wonder if that amount includes the free car usage that has been brought up pertaining to players like CJ Stroud. He has the right to exchange his luxury automobile every 45 days with some car dealership. Currently, he's driving a $200,000 Mercedes G Wagon.

 

[CYdTracked]

Can't remember where I heard it but supposedly Ryan Day told a group of Ohio St boosters it will take $13M per year in NIL money to consistently win the Natty.

Said it before but I'm guessing these wealthy donors will soon grow tired if giving this kind of money to a bunch of 18-22 year old kids and watch them not perform, get in legal issues, transfer, etc.

That is a crazy amount of money for a college FB team that is supposed to be "amateur." By comparison the total payroll for the lowest paid MLB team this year the Baltimore Orioles is about $43.8 mil so tOSU would be paying nearly a third of what a professional baseball team is paying in salaries.

I hope you are right that donors will grow tired of spending money on NIL and these numbers start to fall significantly. I just don't see value in paying 18-22 amateurs especially in college FB where it's already been rigged to mostly favor about a handful of programs most years. The playoff expansion could possibly increase the money going into this with now 12 spots up for grabs more programs will feel they have a legit shot to get in now much like how baseball expanded its playoffs and it's made the trade deadline less chaotic with more teams still in buyer status than sellers than in the past.

 

[Mr Janny]

Everybody should watch Pony Express ESPN doc on SMU, it’s on Disney plus and espn plus I think.

It’s mind blowing in the context of NIL making everything they did perfectly legal, but also that the SWC was legitimately a top conference. Just shows how the landscape changes. Even in the 80s winning the SWC was a big deal. I doubt Houston/Cincy is hyper focused on an American title but rather a marquee bowl or cfp bid these past few years.

Pony Express is a very good watch. Schools paying for players, in one form or another, has been rampant for a long, long time. NIL just made it so people couldn't continue pretending that it wasn't.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Out-of-state, it would about triple it. I wonder if that amount includes the free car usage that has been brought up pertaining to players like CJ Stroud. He has the right to exchange his luxury automobile every 45 days with some car dealership. Currently, he's driving a $200,000 Mercedes G Wagon.

Already switched it out I believe lol.

 

[clonehome]

I wonder if it will change much for the non-premiere schools. They already get all the best players and so paying for it won’t change that much. You may have situations, at our level of financial means, that affect us somewhat. Overall, we are looking for the three stars that are under rated, with an occasional four star mixed in. Character is key to our success. I‘m not saying we shouldn’t be competitive, but we will be more than fine.

I agree with this but the problem is if say a kid like Cartevious Norton blows up as a FR or SO. He’s from Georgia. I could see UGA, Auburn or Bama offer him half a million to play for them for a season or two before going pro. Likewise, if Auburn really wants to go after JJ Kohl and offers him a half million, probably makes it a tough decision. We can’t compete with that.

Wait til each B1G school has $50 mil per year more TV money. So the Hawks can offer the next Jamison Patton $100K per year to go there, above the scholly. Name, Image, Likeness is just the angle that allows pay-for-play. The FBS is now a professional league, with the 12 team playoff resembling the NFL playoffs.

 

[cyclones500]

I assume you guys are referencing Pony Excess (if it's the 30-for-30; maybe there's a different one)

 

[Mr Janny]

I agree with this but the problem is if say a kid like Cartevious Norton blows up as a FR or SO. He’s from Georgia. I could see UGA, Auburn or Bama offer him half a million to play for them for a season or two before going pro. Likewise, if Auburn really wants to go after JJ Kohl and offers him a half million, probably makes it a tough decision. We can’t compete with that.

Wait til each B1G school has $50 mil per year more TV money. So the Hawks can offer the next Jamison Patton $100K per year to go there, above the scholly. Name, Image, Likeness is just the angle that allows pay-for-play. The FBS is now a professional league, with the 12 team playoff resembling the NFL playoffs.

Under the current setup, none of that TV money can be given to a player/recruit as payment.

That said, I wish they would just allow the schools to pay players directly. If the player is an employee, there would be a lot more governance allowed.

 

[ScottyP]

Everybody should watch Pony Express ESPN doc on SMU, it’s on Disney plus and espn plus I think.

It’s mind blowing in the context of NIL making everything they did perfectly legal, but also that the SWC was legitimately a top conference. Just shows how the landscape changes. Even in the 80s winning the SWC was a big deal. I doubt Houston/Cincy is hyper focused on an American title but rather a marquee bowl or cfp bid these past few years.

Texas A&M boosters bought Eric Dickerson a Camaro and he still didn't commit there.

 

[Mr Janny]

Texas A&M boosters bought Eric Dickerson a Camaro and he still didn't commit there.

Exactly. And that's why if people are expecting that boosters will eventually get tired of spending money for recruits who get in trouble/transfer/etc, they shouldn't hold their breath. The money will be there.

 

[cymonw1980]

Can't remember where I heard it but supposedly Ryan Day told a group of Ohio St boosters it will take $13M per year in NIL money to consistently win the Natty.

Said it before but I'm guessing these wealthy donors will soon grow tired if giving this kind of money to a bunch of 18-22 year old kids and watch them not perform, get in legal issues, transfer, etc.

Honestly, if 13M is all it takes I will be surprised... For now, maybe that is the case. But not forever.

Honestly, if you look at how much you spend on entertainment / football (tv subcriptions, tickets, parking, etc. etc.) if every ISU fan that goes to a game (61k+) gives $10/month that is over $600k per month, $7.2M / yr. There are many fans (like me) that can't go to games (live in NC). So, plenty of opportunity for ISU to bring in signficant NIL dollars if everyone that enjoys ISU football were to give a relatively small amount of their monthly entertainment budget to fund this. That is counting on 0 major gifts. A few of those could easily double that amount.

My point is, ISU can compete at those levels (5M - 15M). It will likely take a different path - many giving small amounts vs. a few large gifts.

 

[HFCS]

Texas A&M boosters bought Eric Dickerson a Camaro and he still didn't commit there.

Contrast it with Reggie Bush getting a car being the end of the universe but somehow A&M wasn't punished.

Contrast it with Lucca Staiger...I mean read this...
He played on a team where two players were paid $500, said he didn't know they were paid $500...but still not allowed to play by NCAA. NCAA and everybody knew Lucca never got paid.

Now contrast that to Cam Newton who WAS allowed to play because his dad was give a quarter of a million dollars but Cam said he didn't know.

In some ways it'll be better just making it legal.

 

[83cy]

The loss of Purchase was kind of the catalyst for me to pony up (not that it will help much, but I will feel better). What ISU NIL's are out there (I haven't paid much attention to this)? Opinions on best one(s). I assume not tax deductible.

 

[Cycsk]

Seems to me that coaches would be at the front of the line to make NIL deals to keep players. Pay a few players $100k each, make $1 mil in bonuses!

 

[intrepid27]

Texas A&M boosters bought Eric Dickerson a Camaro and he still didn't commit there.

When I lived in Oklahoma I got to be friends with a person who played football at Okie St with Walt Garrison in the mid 60's. He said Walt's "signing bonus" was a new Corvette, which Walt promptly has a hole cut in the floorboard so he didn't have to carry a spittoon.

For those of you too young to remember in addition to being a college and NFL Running Back he was a Pro Rodeo Cowboy (steer wrestling), and a spokesman for US Tobacco (smokeless tobacco). The original manly man.

 

[clonehome]

Under the current setup, none of that TV money can be given to a player/recruit as payment.

That said, I wish they would just allow the schools to pay players directly. If the player is an employee, there would be a lot more governance allowed.

Didn’t the B1G commish suggest in a recent presser that is where they are headed? Paying players from conference revenue. Unless the B1G and SEC ADs start kicking excess money back to the university general fund they will need a place to go with it. To me it seems like we’re headed toward a bad place with the pending large revenue differential and the transfer portal. I don’t mind ISU not being on the same plane as the 5-10 big dogs but it will suck if we become uncompetitive with teams like Iowa, Minnesota, Purdue, and Arkansas.

 

[brentblum]

The loss of Purchase was kind of the catalyst for me to pony up (not that it will help much, but I will feel better). What ISU NIL's are out there (I haven't paid much attention to this)? Opinions on best one(s). I assume not tax deductible.

Head to wewillcollective.com. We are a 501c3, so any gift is tax deductible. And trust me, every bit helps. Appreciate your consideration!

 

[Cyclad]

Honestly, if 13M is all it takes I will be surprised... For now, maybe that is the case. But not forever.

Honestly, if you look at how much you spend on entertainment / football (tv subcriptions, tickets, parking, etc. etc.) if every ISU fan that goes to a game (61k+) gives $10/month that is over $600k per month, $7.2M / yr. There are many fans (like me) that can't go to games (live in NC). So, plenty of opportunity for ISU to bring in signficant NIL dollars if everyone that enjoys ISU football were to give a relatively small amount of their monthly entertainment budget to fund this. That is counting on 0 major gifts. A few of those could easily double that amount.

My point is, ISU can compete at those levels (5M - 15M). It will likely take a different path - many giving small amounts vs. a few large gifts.

I will not disagree with your math.
But, we will not remotely raise $5M. I doubt we get to $1M. You are extremely overly optimistic about cyclone fan giving. You need to go back and read some of the old threads on this site regarding NIL.

 

[isufbcurt]

The loss of Purchase was kind of the catalyst for me to pony up (not that it will help much, but I will feel better). What ISU NIL's are out there (I haven't paid much attention to this)? Opinions on best one(s). I assume not tax deductible.

anything is tax deductible if you want it to be

 

[cymonw1980]

I will not disagree with your math.
But, we will not remotely raise $5M. I doubt we get to $1M. You are extremely overly optimistic about cyclone fan giving. You need to go back and read some of the old threads on this site regarding NIL.

I agree with you...

I am saying CAN compete. Not that they are competitive now, or well on their way to being competitive at these levels.

I am hopeful we will be. We have a lot of fans who understand it is us vs. the world. I think it could happen. Love having Blum driving this for us.

 

[ScottyP]

I will not disagree with your math.
But, we will not remotely raise $5M. I doubt we get to $1M. You are extremely overly optimistic about cyclone fan giving. You need to go back and read some of the old threads on this site regarding NIL.

We won't with that attitude.