Officiating at the end of the Iowa game

[HFCS]

I think dekkers has always been closer to a Lanning runner than a Purdy runner. Purdy will try to make you miss, Hunter wants to punish you. Every week he survives, the better i feel about Becht becoming a serviceable fill in incase HD gets dinged.

I'm hoping he just need a few games of experience running ball to look more like Lanning, physically they look a lot alike. Saturday was really the first time I think we tried to run him as a weapon and they were some of our least effective plays.

Through two games I'd take Purdy's scramble yards.

 

[nrg4isu]

The offsides call and the late hit call were both not debateable. Easily the right call. The sideline one seems terrible. But also, I’ve yet to see any screenshots or clips of it, so I have no idea what actually happened. From the little you can see on the replay of the airing, it looks like some guys went over and celebrated, but I can’t even tell if it was just players going on to offense celebrating or what, it’s such a brief moment.

Also, while I get it’s not a penalty because he’s moving sideways, it felt awfully shady how Iowa would always have their fullback move into motion right before the snap. Like he was just getting a head start. I think that also causes the refs to not call false starts, because their left tackle was pretty egregious With it and never got called.

1) The extra 15 yard penalty on the ISU bench - that NEVER gets called. ISU just thought they won the game. There was no warning, and the players on the field were quick enough to get back off of the field (I was there and could see the entire field). The clock was stopped because of the offsides penalty anyway. It should have been 5yds for the offsides and no more.

2) How there wasn't a sideline warning on Iowa because of bottles thrown at the refs is beyond me (after the X touchdown catch). I thought for sure the PA would make an announcement or something. The line judge turned around and realized what was happening and ran onto the field. Do line judges usually stand on the field during an extra point attempt? I'd never noticed that before if that's the case.

3) I agree about the fullback sideways motion thing. Iowa's first TD was 2 plays where the FB took 2 shuffle steps to his right before moving forward. Each time I was looking for the flag. Additionally, re-watching the game, Iowa's Offensive line was weird the entire game. One side of the line would move a split second before the other on almost every snap which made it look like a false start. Often, the center's head doesn't move, so it's really hard to tell from the broadcast if the ball was snapped when the right side of the line moved or the left. It was very odd.

4) Holding. I could count about 5 times where an Iowa lineman was beat and basically tackled our DE from behind.

 

[nrg4isu]

I'm hoping he just need a few games of experience running ball to look more like Lanning, physically they look a lot alike. Saturday was really the first time I think we tried to run him as a weapon and they were some of our least effective plays.

Through two games I'd take Purdy's scramble yards.

I can think of 4 Dekkers runs against Iowa. 2 were zone-read keepers that went 4-6 yards, one was a designed run that went nowhere (looked like the Colin Klien type run) and the other was the QB sneak.

What you might not have picked up on was a zone-read handoff where the defense completely bit on Dekkers and allowed Brock to pickup ~12. It might not have been flashy, but Dekkers in the run game I feel like really opened up the offense a lot as a whole. Kudos to Manning.

 

[Cyrealist]

I think dekkers has always been closer to a Lanning runner than a Purdy runner. Purdy will try to make you miss, Hunter wants to punish you. Every week he survives, the better i feel about Becht becoming a serviceable fill in incase HD gets dinged.

Or a Collin Klein-type runner. He's not shifty like Purdy.

 

[BCClone]

Or a Collin Klein-type runner. He's not shifty like Purdy.

That is probably the best comparison. Running wise, but better arm.

 

[Cyrealist]

I can think of 4 Dekkers runs against Iowa. 2 were zone-read keepers that went 4-6 yards, one was a designed run that went nowhere (looked like the Colin Klien type run) and the other was the QB sneak.

What you might not have picked up on was a zone-read handoff where the defense completely bit on Dekkers and allowed Brock to pickup ~12. It might not have been flashy, but Dekkers in the run game I feel like really opened up the offense a lot as a whole. Kudos to Manning.

I agree Iowa seemed to be looking for Dekker runs.

 

[JM4CY]

 

[Stormin]

Lol, I thought we were talking about bigger...Purdy is bigger than Dekkers. Dekkers is taller and slimmer. Purdy had a thick lower half.

Bigger is more closely tied to weight, not height.

Dekkers was 6-3 235 pounds before his weight loss. He is naturally bigger.

 

[keepngoal]

w

wasn't that declined?

 

[madguy30]

Dekkers is pretty obviously taller, heavier and stronger than Purdy even after the weight loss.

I believe people if they tell me he is faster 50m or 100m but I am skeptical that he's a faster game speed runner than Purdy. Power, maybe, but unless he improves as a runner I am not seeing this QB run improvement through two games. That's fine and I'm not criticizing Dekkers, I just don't get where the 'true running QB' predictions are coming from because it seems to me that's the one place where our QB position has taken a step back.

Hope he proves me wrong and he can run as well as Lanning back there because Lanning running ability with Dekkers arm would be a nightmare for teams to face.

I like Dekkers to stretch it out to get to the sideline to pick up a first down or whatever but not as much of a 'darter' type that Purdy was. Contrastly Purdy generally didn't have great speed over a longer distance.

I also like Dekkers in a sneak situation.

 

[Remo Gaggi]

He wasn't in the field pf play once he pushed him...

DeJean is a Hok goon.

 

[ozzie8]

I think the late hit wasn’t as bad a many think. Yes Dekkers was still in the field of play, but the whistle had blown and you can see on the replay that the ref was already signaling to keep the clock running, meaning it was dead. It was definitely a harsh call based on the situation, but it was a judgement call the ref made in the moment.

That’s called 100/100 times on the opponent’s sideline. Stupid play and no reason for it

 

[ricochet]

Adding context to the penalty; the ref made no mention of 'late hit out of bounds', which they generally do for a late hit out of bounds. The ref described the penalty as 'unnecessary roughness', which they may have deemed his forward progress stopped and Dejean's hit has late. Either way, if it's any one other than the QB, I don't think a penalty is called.

Yep, a running back probably doesn't get a flag. If there was more room on the sideline and he didn't slide into people and equipment they might not have thrown the flag even with him being a QB.

 

[VeloClone]

Yes. When Iowa gets teams backed up into hat north endzone it's much harder to detect. Watch Iowa... they do a lot of line movement on the d-line on third downs and their LB's have a reputation for calling out a cadence and clapping.

I rewatched just the first quarter today. Pay attention to the first ISU false start. It was a third and two or three. The officiating crew conference for a long time - longer than usual for a false start - before announcing the false start. If you look closely at the action that resulted in the penalty 51 barks and 91 jumps to try to draw our lineman into jumping. It worked and the officials conferred to see if there was enough there to call the simulating a snap infraction. At that time they apparently didn't but they were certainly watching for it. They eventually did see enough later and finally called it.

It was pretty clearly an orchestrated move by 51 and 91 on the right side of iowa's front seven. They are congratulating each other after getting the flag. They often do this on key situations like 3rd and short or 4th down when the opponent is going for it.

Unfortunately they are not alone in using this tactic which is clearly against the rules but most officiating crews are loath to call it for some reason. Several games against other opponents where ISU has had a lot of false starts in the last few years if you break down the video of those plays you can see the defense barking or clapping before the snap. This can be very effective when the offense is snapping the ball on a clap as well.

 

[cycloneworld]

Check out this angle on the Hutch touchdown... This is the touchdown we were 'gifted'... LOL. Little hand fighting took Moss down for the count.

The most underrated Jirehl Brock skill....pass blocking and picking up blitzes. A perfect pick up by him on the TD.

 

[isured]

Was that beer bottles or water bottles that Iowa fans were throwing at the refs in the endzone?

On Iowa State last touchdown to X receiver you see and an object on TV (828 left in game) screen (time 838) by the Iowa defender in the end zone. Had to be a heavy object because it bounced up in the air . Could not tell if it was a bear can or water bottle. But looked like it was toward ISU X receiver

 

[AttackOfTheClones]

National Anthem?

Can someone clarify why ISU stayed in the tunnel during Anthem? These endless azzhat Hawkeye fans on facebook and twitter outraged that ISU wasn't on the field

Also-- Iowa's fullback 'broke the plane' before fumbling at goalline.
>> according to countless enraged Iowa fans.

Any reason to believe them?

Iowa fans are the freaking worst winners, and worst LOSERS around--bar none





https://www.weareiowa.com/video/spo...line/524-dd909e78-aade-4130-92f3-5c5f8dedcce3 via @weareiowa5news

 

[Statefan10]

National Anthem?

Can someone clarify why ISU stayed in the tunnel during Anthem? These endless azzhat Hawkeye fans on facebook and twitter outraged that ISU wasn't on the field

Also-- Iowa's fullback 'broke the plane' before fumbling at goalline.
>> according to countless enraged Iowa fans.

Any reason to believe them?

Iowa fans are the freaking worst winners, and worst LOSERS around--bar none





https://www.weareiowa.com/video/spo...line/524-dd909e78-aade-4130-92f3-5c5f8dedcce3 via @weareiowa5news

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe we go out onto the field for the national anthem. We come out after.

And the only way you think the FB broke the plane by watching the replay is essentially if you were an Iowa fan. There wasn't a single shred of evidence that showed him breaking the plane with control of the football. Did he maybe break the plane before but there just wasn't a good angle via camera? Absolutely, but that's how that goes.

There were 50/50 and questionable calls all day long. We did not get all of them. Funny enough, they actually got two calls gifted to them to keep them in the game and go to OT. Oh well, let them process the loss.

 

[BCClone]

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe we go out onto the field for the national anthem. We come out after.

And the only way you think the FB broke the plane by watching the replay is essentially if you were an Iowa fan. There wasn't a single shred of evidence that showed him breaking the plane with control of the football. Did he maybe break the plane before but there just wasn't a good angle via camera? Absolutely, but that's how that goes.

There were 50/50 and questionable calls all day long. We did not get all of them. Funny enough, they actually got two calls gifted to them to keep them in the game and go to OT. Oh well, let them process the loss.

There are very few teams that take the field for the anthem. Many coaches think it breaks the concentration and hype of the players. They don't want them standing still that long. Also with the standing/kneeling issue that happened, it also keeps a team from having to deal with the questions about that.

 

[Statefan10]

There are very few teams that take the field for the anthem. Many coaches think it breaks the concentration and hype of the players. They don't want them standing still that long. Also with the standing/kneeling issue that happened, it also keeps a team from having to deal with the questions about that.

Exactly. And from what we know with Iowa fans they really get upset about the whole national anthem deal. Not surprised they're bringing this up.