Officiating at the end of the Iowa game

[cyrocksmypants]

Cool. I'm not a lineman by trade so I'll defer to the lineman.

His helmet's not over the line and it's not in front of his hands so I guess he's a super crap lineman in your book. I do get paid to look at this sort of thing all day long making sense of complex 3D objects.

If "millimeters offsides" matters there should have been lots of these calls in this and every game. It was a BS call. More of a bs call than overturning their goal line fumble would have been actually.

Do you get this upset whenever holding gets called in a game? Because holding also happens on other plays but doesn’t get called? Or is it just because this happened to have been called on a play that ultimately negated a massive result for Iowa State?

Also, are you going to make the case the Iowa runner scored a touchdown? I mean, sure, he fumbled it millimeters from the goal line, but it’s just millimeters, so we should give it to him anyway.

 

[HFCS]

How do you see the solid blue line that runs across the yard line and through MJ and think he’s not offsides? The ref is right there also. The line judge literally stands on the LOS.

Forget the blue line. The red lines perspective grid I drew in 3d sculpting software is far more accurate. I turned the perspective line closest to the ball blue. His had is definitely behind ball. The vertical dashed line shows his helmet probably behind his hand or maybe even but not in front of his hand.

3True likely knows all this and got out in front of his skis on his latest troll.

It’s a total bs call in context of game.

Pro D lineman here, are you coached to be a full yard behind scrimmage every play? If this is truly offsides called regularly and accurately I’d think every coach would want every lineman a full yard back.

 

[HFCS]

Do you get this upset whenever holding gets called in a game? Because holding also happens on other plays but doesn’t get called? Or is it just because this happened to have been called on a play that ultimately negated a massive result for Iowa State?

Also, are you going to make the case the Iowa runner scored a touchdown? I mean, sure, he fumbled it millimeters from the goal line, but it’s just millimeters, so we should give it to him anyway.

Exactly.

This is like they didn’t call holding all game then called one that wasn’t even a hold on last play to keep game alive. That’s why it was such an atrocious call.

Perfect example.

 

[cyrocksmypants]

Exactly.

This is like they didn’t call holding all game then called one that wasn’t even a hold on last play to keep game alive. That’s why it was such an atrocious call.

Perfect example.

So we agree he was offsides? I’m fine with that. If you want to think he was less offsides on that play than other times in the game people were that weren’t called, I’m fine with that. I’m not here to debate all of the other times. I’m here to say he was offsides there, so I’m glad we agree on that.

 

[HFCS]

So we agree he was offsides? I’m fine with that. If you want to think he was less offsides on that play than other times in the game people were that weren’t called, I’m fine with that. I’m not here to debate all of the other times. I’m here to say he was offsides there, so I’m glad we agree on that.

No he’s not offsides, it’s pretty clear in the perspective grid he’s not offsides.

This is like a ton of bad holding went uncalled all game then they called one last play of game that wasn’t even a hold.

 

[3TrueFans]

Exactly.

This is like they didn’t call holding all game then called one that wasn’t even a hold on last play to keep game alive. That’s why it was such an atrocious call.

Perfect example.

It was 2nd down, and 5 yards would do nothing for them, unless you also think the ref knew we'd get a fumble so he had to act!

 

[GoldCy]

Not entertaining the argument, but the center typically moves the ball forward before snapping the ball.

 

[3TrueFans]

I wonder if the ref who was looking directly down the line and trained to watch if anyone was offside had a better view than HFCS does with his MSPaint mockup? Nah.

 

[Steve]

I was about to leave the conversation but you then you insulted plenty of engineers and people like myself who deal in this stuff most of our working hours. He is NOT offsides by much, if he is we are talking millimeters. My best analysis is he's not offsides at all and only looks like it because our other lineman were playing 2-3 feet off the line.

There's no way around that it was a BS call that was completely ridiculous at that time of the game. Since we need to go 3D spacial analysis hopefully this at least proves to you that it was incredibly close. It probably proves benefit of the doubt is not in neutral zone.

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Everyone, including the Iowa sideline, knew that the game was basically over at this point. Iowa was in full desperation mode and was probably threatening the Line Judge's first born at this point. Anyone who thinks that they weren't trying to plead for any favorable call just has to rewatch Kirk's tirade with the Umpire at halftime. The crew should have told him to get his ass in the locker room at that point.

 

[cyrocksmypants]

It was 2nd down, and 5 yards would do nothing for them, unless you also think the ref knew we'd get a fumble so he had to act!

And there was still like 30 seconds left. We probably would have had to kneel twice just to get to the end of the game.

 

[cyrocksmypants]

No he’s not offsides, it’s pretty clear in the perspective grid he’s not offsides.

This is like a ton of bad holding went uncalled all game then they called one last play of game that wasn’t even a hold.

Wait. You said earlier he was offsides, but by just millimeters.

 

[theshadow]

 

[HFCS]

It was 2nd down, and 5 yards would do nothing for them, unless you also think the ref knew we'd get a fumble so he had to act!

Good point, one of the last plays rather “the last play”.

He’s obviously behind the line and I do think someone trained in 3d perspective does have a better view than line judge. Line judge could have made an honest mistake but it’s an odd time for it.

 

[3TrueFans]

Good point, one of the last plays rather “the last play”.

He’s obviously behind the line and I do think someone trained in 3d perspective does have a better view than line judge. Line judge could have made an honest mistake but it’s an odd time for it.

lol

 

[HFCS]

Wait. You said earlier he was offsides, but by just millimeters.

I was seeing if the proof I showed could get the “definitely offsides” most wrong crowd to at least admit it was close.

He’s behind the ball in that still.

 

[3TrueFans]

Wait, you know the blue line isn't "the line" right?

 

[HFCS]

Wait, you know the blue line isn't "the line" right?

The persoective grid proves he’s behind the ball and that vertical line is the line. The blue line is pretty meaningless to discussion.

 

[3TrueFans]

The persoective grid proves he’s behind the ball and that vertical line is the line. The blue line is pretty meaningless to discussion.

Oh your fake lines from the 720p broadcast at an off angle that are more accurate than the official standing on the line, ok I'm with you now.

 

[HFCS]

Oh your fake lines from the 720p broadcast at an off angle that are more accurate than the official standing on the line, ok I'm with you now.

It actually is in terms of what’s on the ground. The z axis doesn’t have perfect reference points and more possibility of lens distortion being a factor. The sideline official isn’t really that close either.

 

[MuskieCy]

My dad can beat up your dad!