Massey composite ranking ISU, other notables

[HFCS]

I think with 3-4 games in the Massey composite rating is actually somewhat valuable given how many polls it considers. Many are still using a lot of data from last year but some just this year.
Here’s where ISU, Big 12, Possible New Big 12 and other notables sit:

5. OU
9. OKSt
12. Texas
15. Utah
16. Baylor
17. ISU
18. Cincy
25. BYU
33. Iowa (I know, but take it as a good win)
34. KSU
42. TTech
44. TCU
48. UCF
50. KU
60. Houston
64. WVU
73. Arizona St
83. Arizona
90. Nebraska
116. Colorado

Conf ranking:
#1 BIG 12 32.2
#2 SEC 33.45
#3 Big Ten 42.57
#4 PAC 12 52.96
#5 ACC 69.91
#6 AAC 81.90

College {Football|Basketball|Baseball} Ranking Composite

masseyratings.com

 

[Bewilderme]

Is Texas back??

 

[HFCS]

Is Texas back??

The #s aren’t bad given UTSA is solid and they ended up pulling away and they played Alabama close.

When you consider their history of playing soft it’s kind of “show me” when they play middle and bottom of Big 12 after grind of a season.

 

[Bewilderme]

The #s aren’t bad given UTSA is solid and they ended up pulling away and they played Alabama close.

When you consider their history of playing soft it’s kind of “show me” when they play middle and bottom of Big 12 after grind of a season.

So, what you're saying is, Texas is back!!

 

[HFCS]

So, what you're saying is, Texas is back!!

In the data so far I think #12 makes sense.

I also think #17 makes more sense for ISU than getting no votes with teams like Wake Forest ranked high.

 

[VeloClone]

Kansas suffering from the historical data dragging them down. Probably belong in the Iowa/BYU range or better.

 

[HFCS]

Kansas suffering from the historical data dragging them down. Probably belong in the Iowa/BYU range or better.

In the few that don’t use last year’s data they are like 6, 13, 14, 20 etc

I think most of them are 50/50 mix of this year and last year and fade until game 6 where it’s all current year.

Big 12 is just as deep in fb this year as it usually is in hoops lately…reflected in all this computer data saying it’s tougher than even the SEC.

 

[Sigmapolis]

Kind of painful to see Arizona, Arizona State, and Colorado so far down like that.

How bad is Colorado to be worse than Nebraska right now?

I know the business case for taking them, but I would hate to see the Big 12 watered down.

A football and basketball conference that is tough and balanced top to bottom is just fun.

 

[cyfan92]

Updated SP+. #25 BU at #37 next Saturday. I figured we'd be 27 and not 37

 

[HFCS]

Kind of painful to see Arizona, Arizona State, and Colorado so far down like that.

How bad is Colorado to be worse than Nebraska right now?

I know the business case for taking them, but I would hate to see the Big 12 watered down.

A football and basketball conference that is tough and balanced top to bottom is just fun.

Especially when AZ/ASU have access to plent of local talent. I guess if they’re down it helps ISU get another Brock Purdy from there.

 

[CychiatricWard]

Updated SP+. #25 BU at #37 next Saturday. I figured we'd be 27 and not 37

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Won’t even consider this poll with us being 6 spots behind Iowa. Makes no sense. So maybe someone can help with this nonsense?

 

[cyfan92]

Won’t even consider this poll with us being 6 spots behind Iowa. Makes no sense. So maybe someone can help with this nonsense?

S&P+ is designed to track overall team efficiency. SO we have an average offense and good but not great defense. Playing Iowa and having turnovers likely holding our offensive numbers back.

Explaining S&P+, CFB’s deepest advanced analytics system

It can predict games and rank teams, but it’s a lot more than that.

www.sbnation.com

 

[aeroclone]

Kind of painful to see Arizona, Arizona State, and Colorado so far down like that.

How bad is Colorado to be worse than Nebraska right now?

I know the business case for taking them, but I would hate to see the Big 12 watered down.

A football and basketball conference that is tough and balanced top to bottom is just fun.

Yeah, as much as they make sense geographically and in the fact that they are large state schools, they have been sucking hard on the field and subsequently in the ratings and fan support departments. Certainly gives me reason to pause a little bit on those additions.

 

[isutrevman]

S&P+ is designed to track overall team efficiency. SO we have an average offense and good but not great defense. Playing Iowa and having turnovers likely holding our offensive numbers back.

Explaining S&P+, CFB’s deepest advanced analytics system

It can predict games and rank teams, but it’s a lot more than that.

www.sbnation.com

Still makes no sense.

Iowa's ratings had to get killed for the SDSU and Iowa State games. Nevada wouldn't have helped that much either.

Does the S&P go off last years results for a few weeks until they get enough of a sample size from the current season?

 

[isutrevman]

Yeah, as much as they make sense geographically and in the fact that they are large state schools, they have been sucking hard on the field and subsequently in the ratings and fan support departments. Certainly gives me reason to pause a little bit on those additions.

We need easy wins, that's a good thing.

 

[ZuriCyclone]

Is Texas back??

Really hope they won that Bama game. Even though I hate Texas football, wanted to see Bama/SEC loose.

 

[CychiatricWard]

Still makes no sense.

Iowa's ratings had to get killed for the SDSU and Iowa State games. Nevada wouldn't have helped that much either.

Does the S&P go off last years results for a few weeks until they get enough of a sample size from the current season?

Exactly what I am thinking. Iowa can’t be efficient at all. We have held teams to 10, 7, and 10 on defense and have scored 42, 10, and 43. Regardless of metrics, I see no reasonable way they should be ahead of us at all.

 

[CloneFan65]

Kind of painful to see Arizona, Arizona State, and Colorado so far down like that.

How bad is Colorado to be worse than Nebraska right now?

I know the business case for taking them, but I would hate to see the Big 12 watered down.

A football and basketball conference that is tough and balanced top to bottom is just fun.

I attended the ASU/EMU game Saturday night. The listed attendance was 43,000, but I'd estimate 30,000 butts in the seats. By the second half kickoff, most of those fans had left. As far as the team, on the postgame radio show a sideline reporter mentioned that the ASU coaches were trying to get the team to warm-up after halftime, but half the players ignored the coaches and simply walked to the bench. Not a good atmosphere in Tempe. Herm Edwards was fired Sunday morning. Whoever comes in has to rebuild the culture from scratch.

 

[BMWallace]

Still makes no sense.

Iowa's ratings had to get killed for the SDSU and Iowa State games. Nevada wouldn't have helped that much either.

Does the S&P go off last years results for a few weeks until they get enough of a sample size from the current season?

This is correct, preseason/last season values dont wash out till week 6 or so.

 

[HFCS]

Exactly what I am thinking. Iowa can’t be efficient at all. We have held teams to 10, 7, and 10 on defense and have scored 42, 10, and 43. Regardless of metrics, I see no reasonable way they should be ahead of us at all.

Certain rankings have a way of making defense more important than offense to the point of almost ignoring offense. I don't agree with it but I've seen it. I've always thought KenPom is a score predictor that people wrongfully use as a resume ranking, but for a few years there KenPom ridiculously valued defense over offense and had some laughably bad final rating/rankings because of it. It doesn't anymore or last year's ISU team probably would've been top 10.

I actually think the Massey composite is far and away the best ranking of any kind for college football and wish something like that could replace the SBC. Sure some of the rankings it uses are ridiculous but they even out and are less biased than lots of things in AP/Coaches poll. It's very similar to the old BCS component where it was 8 computer models throwing out high and low except it uses more like 20-30 computer models and throws out high/low.

ISU is #7 in a couple of them thrown out as the high and #45 for a low ranking thrown out. We probably actually are pretty much exactly in the middle of those, maybe slightly closer to the two #7s than the one #45.