Massey composite ranking ISU, other notables
- Thread starter HFCS
- Start date
Sagarin does 6 week weighted fade in too.
A big thing with even just using this year for half of the data is hardly any top teams have great SOS for another few weeks.
ISU's Sagarin sos so far this year is 98 but that's actually BETTER than most top teams so far. It's why lots of computers put us in top 20. Yeah we haven't played the toughest schedule but when you actually drill down just winning a road game against a P5 team makes it one of the better results out there.
People ask why Texas is so high, their SOS of 34 is very high compared to other power conference teams and they only lost by 2 to the team most computers peg as the #1 or #2 team.
Like most years, entire Big 12 will have best SOS in college football or near best SOS because the SEC skips a week of the season. When Alabama takes its annual week off against Austin Peay late in the year Oklahoma will be playing Oklahoma State.
Apparently B10 losses at home don't count. Iowa ahead of Iowa State, Wisconsin ahead of Washington State.
Who cares about rankings at this point in the season? The last thing any Iowa State team needs is to be ranked and to be told that they are good. Let them think no one loves them and let them play with a chip on their shoulders- that’s when we’re at our best.
Now, end of season rankings- let’s get that one as high as possible. All ya gotta do is win baby, WIN!
Now, end of season rankings- let’s get that one as high as possible. All ya gotta do is win baby, WIN!
Maybe I am wrong about this because I certainly am a lot, but with how much roster turnover there seems to be year to year anymore, how does using last years metrics to influence the beginning metrics of this year make any sense? Take USC for example. That team is wildly different than last year.
Yeah, in football I think there's still value because development is still big. In basketball it's been stoooooooopid for awhile now and basically worthless going forward. Human polls are the same way though, year after year the human polls and people voting in the Big 12 poll would ignore that ISU had stud transfers coming in, yet they'd consider what we lost.
In basketball using recruiting and transfer rankings makes more sense than caring about last year. Probably better off to just deal with it sucking for 5-8 basketball games.
It also starts with last year's final and then adjusts for returning production and incoming talent. On returning production alone we were line 85th or something. He also tries to account for recruiting rankings, but he uses a 5 year average and our program just hasn't been there long enough. We were top 20 (15?) in SP+ at the end of the year despite our record. Combined with losing a lot of production and improving but still very average recruiting, we started the year in the 40s.S&P+ is designed to track overall team efficiency. SO we have an average offense and good but not great defense. Playing Iowa and having turnovers likely holding our offensive numbers back.
Explaining S&P+, CFB’s deepest advanced analytics system
It can predict games and rank teams, but it’s a lot more than that.www.sbnation.com
Fans care. And people who aren't fans but see a ranked team are more likely to watch or pay attention. It is important. You get more media coverage. It makes the Iowa State brand more valuable. ISU needs to figure out how to win when they are ranked - to stay there and move up. That's the next big step for the program. Don't be scared to come in to a season ranked and swing your big **** around and win.
It’s fun seeing how bad Nebraska, Colorado, and Missouri have slipped since leaving the conference. Completely irrelevant programs now that were routinely ranked in the top 25 in the Big XII.
You’re right- fans care. I love opening up media and seeing us ranked…but all that matters is winning. Rankings are what they are- just some folks’ biased opinions about our team until we either prove them right or show them wrong.
We just need to win and be consistent in winning- there’s nothing else.
This feels about right for now.
Win the next three games and we should be comfortably ranked. (TOE is 54)
Team Rankings
Home Advantage: +2.2
Date:
Win the next three games and we should be comfortably ranked. (TOE is 54)
Team Rankings
NCAA College Football Predictive Rankings & Ratings
More Rankings...Home Advantage: +2.2
Date:
| Rank | Team | Rating | v 1-10 | v 11-25 | v 26-40 | Hi | Low | Last |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Georgia (3-0) | 34.7 | 0-0 | 1-0 | 0-0 | 1 | 3 | 2 |
| 2 | Alabama (3-0) | 32.5 | 1-0 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 1 | 2 | 1 |
| 3 | Ohio State (3-0) | 31.6 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 1-0 | 2 | 3 | 3 |
| 4 | Michigan (3-0) | 21.8 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 4 | 5 | 4 |
| 5 | USC (3-0) | 21.0 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 5 | 12 | 6 |
| 6 | Tennessee (3-0) | 20.9 | 0-0 | 1-0 | 0-0 | 6 | 14 | 7 |
| 7 | Oklahoma (3-0) | 20.7 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 6 | 10 | 10 |
| 8 | Texas (2-1) | 19.1 | 0-1 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 5 | 14 | 5 |
| 9 | Penn State (3-0) | 19.0 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 1-0 | 9 | 18 | 12 |
| 10 | Mississippi (3-0) | 18.0 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 10 | 22 | 18 |
| 11 | Utah (2-1) | 16.8 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 9 | 17 | 9 |
| 12 | Clemson (3-0) | 15.9 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 4 | 12 | 8 |
| 13 | Oklahoma St (3-0) | 15.3 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 9 | 21 | 21 |
| 14 | Baylor (2-1) | 15.0 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 0-1 | 10 | 15 | 13 |
| 15 | LSU (2-1) | 14.7 | 0-0 | 1-0 | 0-1 | 15 | 29 | 25 |
| 16 | NC State (3-0) | 14.4 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 16 | 29 | 22 |
| 17 | Miami (FL) (2-1) | 14.3 | 0-0 | 0-1 | 0-0 | 11 | 22 | 16 |
| 18 | Oregon (2-1) | 13.9 | 0-1 | 0-0 | 1-0 | 17 | 46 | 36 |
| 19 | Miss State (2-1) | 13.5 | 0-0 | 0-1 | 0-0 | 11 | 21 | 11 |
| 20 | Minnesota (3-0) | 13.4 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 20 | 36 | 26 |
| 21 | Wisconsin (2-1) | 13.1 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 11 | 37 | 37 |
| 22 | Washington (3-0) | 12.9 | 0-0 | 1-0 | 0-0 | 22 | 48 | 33 |
| 23 | Texas A&M (2-1) | 12.8 | 0-0 | 1-0 | 0-0 | 7 | 27 | 27 |
| 24 | Michigan St (2-1) | 12.7 | 0-0 | 0-1 | 0-0 | 14 | 24 | 14 |
| 25 | Pittsburgh (2-1) | 12.1 | 0-1 | 0-0 | 1-0 | 25 | 34 | 34 |
| 26 | Kentucky (3-0) | 12.1 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 17 | 26 | 17 |
| 27 | Notre Dame (1-2) | 12.0 | 0-1 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 6 | 27 | 19 |
| 28 | BYU (2-1) | 11.8 | 0-0 | 1-1 | 0-0 | 15 | 29 | 15 |
| 29 | Cincinnati (2-1) | 11.2 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 0-1 | 24 | 37 | 24 |
| 30 | Purdue (1-2) | 11.1 | 0-1 | 0-0 | 0-1 | 28 | 43 | 28 |
| 31 | TX Christian (2-0) | 9.8 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 27 | 38 | 29 |
| 32 | Florida St (3-0) | 9.7 | 0-0 | 1-0 | 0-0 | 32 | 40 | 35 |
| 33 | Iowa State (3-0) | 9.7 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 33 | 44 | 44 |
| 34 | Kansas St (2-1) | 9.5 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 23 | 34 | 23 |
Didn't Iowa have just as many turnovers and LOSE the freaking game. Why would that not hurt Iowa more than ISU having the same amount of turnovers and WINNING THE GAME. Like isutrevman stated, IT MAKES NO SENSES&P+ is designed to track overall team efficiency. SO we have an average offense and good but not great defense. Playing Iowa and having turnovers likely holding our offensive numbers back.
Explaining S&P+, CFB’s deepest advanced analytics system
It can predict games and rank teams, but it’s a lot more than that.
In the latest bowl projections, Palm has ku beating ISU and going to liberty bowl. ISU to Texas bowl. sui at home.
Well that’s mutually exclusive. You’re not going to debut at #6 in the final poll of the year.
Sure- we have to start a steady climb about halfway through the season. However, this week and next, no need to rank us. Now, if we’re 6-0 going into the OU game, we should start to get our groove moving and crack the top 10 by beating OU again.
Yes, it’s residual affect from last year, which of course is stupid as hell in college sports.
