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The seltzer and RTD cocktails are putting a hurting on craft beer. I'm really connected to the business and this has been on the horizon for quite a few years. There is almost zero brand loyalty among craft beer geeks, it's all about what's new. So much of the alcohol business is built around forced unsustainable growth, its a very much so a push business model from the supplier level.
Once I found a seltzer I actually liked, I started drinking them more.

My wife got diagnosed with Celiac this summer too, so we’ve really moved away from craft beer
 

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So much bad beer in Iowa. It seemed like when craft beer was booming any knucklehead who could brew an amber with a Mr. Beer homebrew kit was opening a taproom. It also seems like the craft beer market is getting cornered into the haze bomb ipa's and pastry stouts which have a place, but I'm not looking to drink a sugar bomb every time I open a beer.

Perhaps my palate has changed, but I would also argue the quality amongst our "big breweries" has fallen off as well. Big Groves IPA's all taste the same and have this odd quality to them. Easy Eddy almost tastes soapy to me now. $12-13 for a 4 pack of PseudoSue that's been sitting on HyVee's shelves for 4 months just isn't real appealing to me any more either.
You aren't wrong. About any of this.

I used to really enjoy IPAs, and still might have one on occasion, but I think I'm burnt out, and unfortunately it seems like it's about all these local brewers are interested in making/creating.

Anymore, I'd much rather drink a lager, pilsner, or even something darker like a stout or porter.

And the dessert/pastry beers have just never really been my thing. Unless, again, it's like a peanut butter porter, or stout with notes of chocolate etc. Sours I am pretty meh on. I'll drink one in a sitting, but not usually 2 or 3, and I'm never buying a 6-pack of it to keep at home.
 
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Firetrucker seems content to be nothing more than a bike trail/party brewery, especially since Heidersheit passed. Standard, average, easy to drink rotation of releases, not a whole lot special going on. Excellent space for gathering and ideal location. Which tbh is a fine business model that will probably keep them going

I enjoy Firetrucker for the location and atmosphere. My wife doesn't like beer, but they have good ginger beer options with their Cat Dragon/Copper Cat that she is content.

One thing we loved about Firetrucker was food trucks, which we can get at Uptown as well. Our favorite food truck is 515 Pi (Pizza) They used to go to firetrucker about 2x a month, but they stopped going to Ankeny all together and really have corned stopped going to many breweries at all anymore as they get more business with private events. I asked them why they don't go to Firetrucker anymore and thy said the permits to do a food truck in Ankeny are stupid and they will never go back to Ankeny.

This alone may hurt some of these places, because often our decision to go out to a brewery might be if a good food truck was going to be there.
 

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I can't believe the Des Moines Metro area keeps adding more breweries.

Downtown area alone.
Big Grove
Lau
Confluence
Exile
1717
Peacetree
Twisted Vine
Court Avenue

Then add...
Fox
Barntown
515
Firetrucker
Reclaimed
Fenders
Brightside

I'm sure I'm missing a ton still. Most of them have at least 1 good beer, but I'm finding it hard to justify spending $6 to $7 for a glass of beer. I know prices have gone up, and with personal incomes essentially falling, I can't see how all of these will stay open.
No way 1717 brewing lasts very much longer that place makes some bad beers
 
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No way 1717 brewing lasts very much longer that place makes some bad beers

They've got a good location though, which may be enough. Seems like they always have a decent crowd when i go by there on a weekend
 

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My current Iowa Top 10:
Lua
Pulpit
Confluence
Alluvial
Big Grove
Dimensional
Marto
Singlespeed
Lion Bridge
TG

That can hold up to any state’s top 10.

And there are probably 20 breweries I didn’t list that make some great beers. I did visit a really bad new brewery this summer that I’m not gonna call out publicly because they were pretty newly opened. But there are definitely some bad ones out there. Just seems to me like they’re either the minority, don’t last long, and if they do survive it’s because they have a captive market.
I think I might know, based off an experience I had with said brewery that opened this year. Located in a town off highway 218.
 

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I think I might know, based off an experience I had with said brewery that opened this year. Located in a town off highway 218.
Nope. Highway 52. The brewery I think you’re speaking of I actually like, but only had one beer from them.

You must be talking a college town near Waterloo that isn’t CF?
 

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I can't even imagine what that patio at Big Grove cost to put in! That set up is really solid.

I think it's worth noting the places that serve food will be set up to succeed but the stand alones won't make it. I was actually pretty surprised that Twisted Vine opened a new location after they lost their WDM building. I would have taken the money and ran.
The Big Grove patio is a destination all on it's own, even if not drinking. I have to admit they did that right.
 

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Nope. Highway 52. The brewery I think you’re speaking of I actually like, but only had one beer from them.

You must be talking a college town near Waterloo that isn’t CF?
Yes, you are correct. Highway 52 though, I am stumped. Only ones that really come to mind are in a town about 30 miles west of Dubuque. Or in the Toppling Goliath territory.

Edit: Scratch that about TG terrirtory. Can't think of any breweries that would have opened in 2022. I can think of one in Dyersville, but it is merely a taproom for the larger brewery in Dubuque as far as I know
 

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Yes, you are correct. Highway 52 though, I am stumped. Only ones that really come to mind are in a town about 30 miles west of Dubuque. Or in the Toppling Goliath territory.

Edit: Scratch that about TG terrirtory. Can't think of any breweries that would have opened in 2022. I can think of one in Dyersville, but it is merely a taproom for the larger brewery in Dubuque as far as I know
Really look at the map north of Dubuque.
 
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NO....and that is too bad. Such a nice place.

I went in there on a Sunday evening this summer and was literally the only one in there, other than the bartender. And he wasn't all that excited to see me.

It kinda reminded me of those big cities in China they build with no one to live in them.
 

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I went in there on a Sunday evening this summer and was literally the only one in there, other than the bartender. And he wasn't all that excited to see me.

It kinda reminded me of those big cities in China they build with no one to live in them.
This is making me think of not a brewery but a bar called Zora (corner of Ingersoll and MLK).
Had to cost a fortune and I know they had a bad food inspection review lately that couldn't help.

We hit up Eatery A a lot on nice patio days, and it was a perfect Friday afternoon at about 4, and Zora had all the windows open, etc and there wasn't a single customer in there or on the patio and all the Ingersoll places had already started to fill in.
 

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My current Iowa Top 10:
Lua
Pulpit
Confluence
Alluvial
Big Grove
Dimensional
Marto
Singlespeed
Lion Bridge
TG

That can hold up to any state’s top 10.

And there are probably 20 breweries I didn’t list that make some great beers. I did visit a really bad new brewery this summer that I’m not gonna call out publicly because they were pretty newly opened. But there are definitely some bad ones out there. Just seems to me like they’re either the minority, don’t last long, and if they do survive it’s because they have a captive market.
pretty solid list tbh, might swap gezellig for alluvial, but depends what you're drinking I suppose.
 

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Too bad about Mistress, although I'm not surprised. Nothing they had ever impressed me all that much. It's interesting that businesses seem to struggle in that location. I use to like Fletchers but 2 iterations of that have failed in that building as well. Hopefully they can get something to stick there.
 

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I went in there on a Sunday evening this summer and was literally the only one in there, other than the bartender. And he wasn't all that excited to see me.

It kinda reminded me of those big cities in China they build with no one to live in them.
Your story reminds me of a cold fall night (just this past September) me and a couple friends stopped into Franklin Street Brewing in Manchester. We were camping at Backbone but it was unseasonably cold this particular night, so we ventured into town to wet our whistles. Found Franklin Street and I was familiar but had never been. We were the only ones there on a Friday night. Home football game, we were told. Bartender extremely pleasant and did not act like we were a burden to her at all, even though had we not ventured in at 8:30 and stayed til damn near 10, she probably could have been home by 9. She poured our drinks and entertained us in conversation the whole time and reassured us convincingly we weren't a bother to her. Highly recommend the place to anyone travelling on this side of the state.
 

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I live in NEIA, and all of our locals are pretty good. I’m not sure where all this bad beer is, but up here we’re pretty spoiled. Most of what we see through distribution is Singlespeed, TG, Big Grove. I’ve had beer all over the country, and per capita there are few places doing better than Iowa. IMO, there are probably at least 10 generally excellent breweries here.

I do agree that overall it seems like hazy IPAs are nowhere near as good as they were 6-7 years ago, and I have no interest in pastry anything at this point. Psuedo Sue today is much heavier and sweeter to me than it was in 2013. Seems like this applies to damn near any hazy. Easy Eddy is probably still my favorite, but it seems like it used to be better.

I’ve said for awhile that breweries whose model is based around being a place to go/neighborhood/small town gathering place are more well positioned than the ones trying to blow up and battle for regional shelf space. Interesting that craft beer sales are tanking nationally, because I know I’ve personally gone away from drinking it at home much. So much of it is just so god damn caloric.
Agreed! Try Odell's Rupture IPA - hoppy and clean, similiar to what I remember Sue tasting like.
 

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