Campbell Still in Demand?
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It is funny that you mention that. There is a pretty valid theory that Iowa State football was quite intentionally thrown to the wolves in the 1980s once Donnie Duncan went on his way to spotlight success for the Hawkeyes and Hayden Fry. The successor to Duncan still had an opportunity to bring the program to a respectable level. One of the leading candidates was Dirty 30 alumni, John Cooper. At the time he had shown great success with the Tulsa program and was an up-and-coming coach. Word on the street at the time was new AD Max Urick wanted to go with Cooper but President Parks had some sort of issue with him and preferred another candidate, Jim Criner. Urick was new and had little influence to counter the long serving President, so we ended up with Jim Criner as coach. John Cooper went on to coach at Arizona State in 1984 to instant success. Once Criner was fired in 1986 Parks was no longer President and Urick tried to make the offer to Cooper with full support. Cooper felt disrespected by the University for being passed over for Criner and refused the offer. Cooper made many comments and allusions that verified this series of events.
Donnie Duncan did not have sustained success but did have a few bright spots. One of bigger bright spots was a 3-1 record against Hayden Fry's resurgent Hawkeye program. Fry just couldn't get over the hump to defeat the in-state rival with Duncan at the helm. That was totally unacceptable for the Hawkeye program that had a few 8-win seasons in a row and trying to establish itself in the Big Ten as an elite program.
Jim Criner takes over as head coach in 1983. Criner's Cyclone teams get utterly slaughtered by the Hawkeyes four years in a row with the following scores:
| September 10, 1983 | Ames | Iowa | 51 | Iowa State | 10 | |
| September 8, 1984 | Iowa City | Iowa | 59 | Iowa State | 21 | |
| September 28, 1985 | Ames | Iowa | 57 | Iowa State | 3 | |
| September 13, 1986 | Iowa City | Iowa | 43 | Iowa State | 7 |
Jim Walden takes the job in 1987 with extreme limitations on scholarships thanks to Criner, who was somehow supposedly cleared of wrongdoing after being fired, yet the school is left with a shattered football program. Walden somehow finishes 6-5 in 1989 and does make a better set of showings against the Hawkeyes despite still losing. Things look promising in Cyclone land for a football program resurgence in the 1990s. Strangely, Walden installs a triple option offense and the momentum died immediately. The guy who could creatively patch together serviceable offenses with scholarship limitations and injuries suddenly seemed to stop even trying and this leads to a season in 1994 with no victories. Rumors persisted with Walden tiring of battling the administration concerning player eligibility, practice and of course a total lack of facilities. I remember saying at the time I missed 1980s Jim Walden. It takes Danny Mac five seasons and better support to finally restore the football program to competitiveness and decsively end the losing streak to the Hawkeyes.
The valid theory is that the Iowa Board of Regents cast their full support to Fry's Hawkeye football program as the one and only for the State of Iowa neglecting funding for improving facilities for the Iowa State football program. Iowa State passed on John Cooper who would take the head coach job at Ohio State where his teams frequently humiliated the Hawkeyes and Fry. This recap of a 1995 meeting is utter gold where the Buckeyes could have hung 100 points on that vaunted Hawkeye defense:
There are a lot of events and firsthand accounts that support the theory that Iowa State football was hung out to dry in favor of the Hawkeyes as the one program in the state.
I'd have to double check, but would think we were certainly top 3 or 4 in the conference in terms of producing NFL WR, RB, TE, and QB from 2017-2021
They're not my boys. The jack-jawed one, John Kurtz, is a self-aggrandizing jerk of the first order, an emperor without cloths. The Klieman hire was viewed with skepticism by this boy. He wanted Seth Littrell at the time, the .500 North Texas coach today.
So, what they say about CMC holds no time with me. I don't listen to them and suggest you pass as well.
Gut.
He just looks and acts like a winner.
Team is getting better during the season.
Isn't afraid to take big risks and go for the win.
Love the use of the deep pass to open things up for Vaughn.
NDSU teams were legit.
I do not mean this to sound hyperbolic, but if Bryce Young was the ISU QB, I think the Cyclones would have a winning record right now. Not all Hunter's fault, but having a stud at QB would be monumental for this particular team.
What exactly does a winner look like? The Dolphins, Chargers, and Vikings all have coaches that look like complete nerds yet they all have elite teams.
Hes 17-15 so far in the Big 12, with his biggest bowl win the Texas Bowl. Campbell actually has a better winning % in the Big 12 than Kleiman with a Fiesta Bowl win.
Kleiman is good but hes not on Campbell's level yet. If anything he's taken a step back from how good they were under Snyder. Campbell has already beaten him twice also.
Campbell went for 2 in Norman for the win instead of just sending it to overtime.
Hakeem Butler going deep ring a bell?
Toledo was 35-15 under him and a better conference than ND State.
Need I go on?
It's a down year. It happens to every team in the NCAA.
People just love to reach for ******** and ***** about anything.
They can **** off. Give the program a year or two and we'll be ok.
We are one of the youngest teams in the country and have had a good shot to win every game we have played.
We are always going to be in the nip and tuck type of games, and hopefully a more experienced squad will win more of them in the years to come.
@TheJackWePack5
I would be curious where you are getting this info. Campbell has repeatedly said we are young, I don't really see it. Maybe the better term would be inexperienced, but I am not sure we are that much different that a lot of teams.
I did see an article from last spring where we have the fewest returning starters at 8. The range was 8 for ISU and 17 for KU. The bulk of Big12 teams are 11-13 range. But if I do a rough count, I would put us around 10.5 (Rus was situational starter) based on late 2021 season.
But I look at our offense:
- Every player on our OL started a game prior to this season.
- Among receiver both X & Noel both have extensive starting experience.
- Rus has also played a ton of snaps over the years.
- So on offense only QB, RB & TE are we playing guys with limited experience.
Defense has been our strength and I would say the experience is less there:
- DL - McDonald is only starter returning. Lee & Singleton were rotational guys last year.
- LB has a ton of experience with Vance, Reeder and Vaughn have all played a ton during their careers
- DB is a young & inexperienced group other than Anthony Johnson. A lot of soph & freshman have played a lot of snaps.
Solid programs (in year 7 of the head coach) that are building and making progress don‘t go from an orange bowl to winless in the conference in less than two years.
It’s more than a down year, it’s last place in the Big 12. I like Cambell, but FFS this isn’t looking good at all.
You either acknowlege that or you just have ‘faith’ that CMC will turn things around. I graduated from the Iowa State University of Science and Technology so I put facts over faith.
I have faith because Campbell built us from nothing. He will fix things. Bill Snyder had down years at K-State after having great success. When you get a great coach you give them the opportunity to fix things. Bill Snyder is a great example.
Thanks for responding to my post. I didn’t understand most of your reply. That‘s ok.
It’s college football, crazy **** happens - maybe the team wins out!
Look, I know Iowa State hasn’t been a powerhouse, but a 31-28 conference record in year 7 doesn’t make you a great coach. It’s great by ISU standards, but it’s not even close to great by overall P5 standards. It’s solidly mediocre.
Coaches get defined by win and losses. It’s harsh. They also get paid millions of dollars at the P5 level so everyone understands the game - winning matters. CMC isn’t doing a great job. The last two seasons have been a big regression.
Coaches get defined by win and losses. It’s harsh. They also get paid millions of dollars at the P5 level so everyone understands the game - winning matters. CMC isn’t doing a great job. The last two seasons have been a big regression.
Look at Bill Snyder’s record. Lots of ups and downs.
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128th in returning production, and we start 4 seniors on offense (Hutch, Stanley, Rus, Downing) and 5 on defense (Lee, McDonald, Vance, Vaughn, Johnson).
Something I wish is that ISU was able to make something like having a big receiver their 'thing' on offense that they recruit to.
Like no matter the year, you always have to prepare for ISU's big receiver.
CycloneErik
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Bill Snyder is a terrible example. He had one 6-6 year in the middle of his run, then two down years right before retiring.
Nobody, buy nobody, builds a successful program while dropping a 3-9/4-8 season in year 7. It's pretty sad, but the odds are much greater that the program collapses into what we've seen over and over than it is that he builds out of this record.
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