Gonzaga to join the Big 12?

[2speedy1]

Just curious why don't you like it?

Having basketball only schools and then football schools in a conference is part of what tore apart the Big East. There is a reason no other Power 5 schools do it. There is no reason to do it, and will cause a disconnect between members.

 

[snowcraig2.0]

Having basketball only schools and then football schools in a conference is part of what tore apart the Big East. There is a reason no other Power 5 schools do it. There is no reason to do it, and will cause a disconnect between members.

you could also say that the Big East lived a lot longer than it should have because of that arrangement.

 

[alarson]

Having basketball only schools and then football schools in a conference is part of what tore apart the Big East. There is a reason no other Power 5 schools do it. There is no reason to do it, and will cause a disconnect between members.

Is it though?

Seems it was just a combination of other conferences having more money to offer and ESPN deciding to tear them apart after the big east rejected their tv deal.

 

[HFCS]

I wonder if Yormark is plotting a very different future for the Big12. And this is step 1. Hear me out.

Eventually the NCAA will get kicked out of running the tournament, and many hundreds of millions of $$ will flow to the schools instead. It would rival the football money -- less, but not far off.

Big12 is an also ran for the football money. Why not make the B1G and SEC into the also rans for the basketball money? They get $100M annual for football, we get $50M. What if Big12 can get $70M annual for bball and they get $30M? You've closed the gap and made your brand #1 for bball.

So go get the Zags, the Big East, some ACC teams when that goes down, Arizona... put together a nationwide league with major basketball brands. People have talked about a football superleague... what about a basketball superleague? NBA-lite, like the G-League, except people actually care about it.

The Big12 will become a 2nd tier football conference with 12-16 teams. But the #1 basketball conference with maybe 30ish teams. Is that the vision? Yormark has a lot of NBA DNA.

Might not be the strategy, and it might not work regardless, but I think it is interesting.

In terms of who is actually good in basketball, the whole Big Ten is mostly a media creation every year that runs into reality. The SEC has Kentucky and then usually 1-2 other teams (the team varies) that manages to jump up with some legit scary talent just because they own a talent rich footprint.

If Arizona/Gonzaga are in the fold I think you have four programs in the Big 12 that are every bit as good as the one true marquee program in the entire 32 team Big 12/SEC. It pains me to say it but Baylor is in that realm now. UCLA is not consistent enough to be in the same tier as KU/BU/Zags/AZ. The next tier of teams in the Big 12 (Houston, Tech, TCU, WVU, ISU, OKSt, KSU, Cincy) are actually as good as the very top teams the Big Ten and SEC have outside of UK. I mean in terms of actually playing a real game and not some fantasy media creation.

Somebody has to lose and in terms of basketball if Arizona and Gonzaga come in I'm hoping we get another UCF type of program that isn't already a perennial NCAA bid team.

 

[2speedy1]

Is it though?

Seems it was just a combination of other conferences having more money to offer and ESPN deciding to tear them apart after the big east rejected their tv deal.

I didnt say it was the entire reason, I said PART of the reason. We don't need any more reasons to have issues in our conference.

 

[HFCS]

They dont have to become fans of Iowa State or any team. You just need them to think the Big 12 is important and worth watching.

American basketball is so far ahead of the rest of the world that teams from the US coming in is a big deal on its own. Many, many countries pro leagues are worse than or equal to the Big 12.

Saying you have 4 of the last 6 teams to play in the national title game, 2 champions, and one year 2 of those teams played each other is a really hot selling point

Question is how international pro basketball compares to college basketball, that's what you'd be competing with.

I honestly don't watch enough of it to form an opinion and just check scores and stats for guys like Naz.

My own personal basketball tastes prefer the style and quality of NBA basketball and what I see in the Olympics and World Championship over NCAA...outside of my ISU fandom of course.

 

[ISUTex]

Having basketball only schools and then football schools in a conference is part of what tore apart the Big East. There is a reason no other Power 5 schools do it. There is no reason to do it, and will cause a disconnect between members.

The ACC does it.

 

[Triggermv]

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[HFCS]

The ACC does it.

You could argue Gonzaga basketball is more successful than ND football in terms of just the value of getting them in relative to other basketball programs nationwide.

Over life of the 4 team football playoff:
Gonzaga Final Four record: 2-2
ND FB playoff record: 0-2

 

[cyIclSoneU]

Gonzaga boards are saying they have spoken with the Pac-12, Big East, and Big 12 for a while and this became public because GU leadership has settled on the Big 12 as their preferred landing spot.

 

[TheHelgo]

Having basketball only schools and then football schools in a conference is part of what tore apart the Big East. There is a reason no other Power 5 schools do it. There is no reason to do it, and will cause a disconnect between members.

The biggest problem with the Big East though was that they had several hoops only members that created a voting block against the football schools. In our case, we would have 1 hoops only member, and likely one without full voting power.

 

[TheHelgo]

Gonzaga boards are saying they have spoken with the Pac-12, Big East, and Big 12 for a while and this became public because GU leadership has settled on the Big 12 as their preferred landing spot.

which boards have you found to be informative?

 

[GoldCy]

If adding Gonzaga is going to bump up ISU's annual share by another $5 million per year, then I'll take it. Other than that, the Big 12 does not need them.... the conference is already better than everyone else.

If the Big 12 is going to look to add non football schools to the conference, I would rather see some more wrestling schools get added.

Wrestling doesn't move the needle most places. Why add a revenue drain?

 

[Cyinthenorth]

Question is how international pro basketball compares to college basketball, that's what you'd be competing with.

I honestly don't watch enough of it to form an opinion and just check scores and stats for guys like Naz.

My own personal basketball tastes prefer the style and quality of NBA basketball and what I see in the Olympics and World Championship over NCAA...outside of my ISU fandom of course.

I watch a ton of both. The NBA is a lot easier on the eyes, but I just love the passion and intensity that comes with the college game. I hate to even compare the two, but if I had to pick just one to watch for the rest of my life it'd be college.

 

[Halincandenza]

Don't understand this at all.

 

[PickSix]

which boards have you found to be informative?

Snowcraig linked it on page 11.

 

[ClonerJams]

I like Yorkmark is leaning into being THE basketball power conference. Work to your strenghts; even if it just nets every school 500k a year (no idea what it will work out to in the end), that's still money you didn't have before and its more exposure for your conference.

 

[HFCS]

I like Yorkmark is leaning into being THE basketball power conference. Work to your strenghts; even if it just nets every school 500k a year (no idea what it will work out to in the end), that's still money you didn't have before and its more exposure for your conference.

It forces the media talking heads to address the reality that the Big 12 has already been the top league for a long time. That's something I think the previous commissioner never knew how to do.

Growing up in the 90s you couldn't turn on ESPN without hearing about how amazingly dominant the ACC was. The Big 12 just went through a period of similar dominance yet there's practically no mention of it in national media, just for real insiders who dig into the numbers and results or among people who are already Big 12 fans or Big 12 media.

 

[1UNI2ISU]

It forces the media talking heads to address the reality that the Big 12 has already been the top league for a long time. That's something I think the previous commissioner never knew how to do.

Growing up in the 90s you couldn't turn on ESPN without hearing about how amazingly dominant the ACC was. The Big 12 just went through a period of similar dominance yet there's practically no mention of it in national media, just for real insiders who dig into the numbers and results or among people who are already Big 12 fans or Big 12 media.

You're forgetting that the Big 12 had the audacity to not be located on the eastern seaboard...

 

[CascadeClone]

The biggest problem with the Big East though was that they had several hoops only members that created a voting block against the football schools. In our case, we would have 1 hoops only member, and likely one without full voting power.

You could also set it up as two more separate entities from the start. Rather than have it be all one conference fighting over spoils.