Beat me to answering that. Would be an amazing loophole to just add teams to your conference to get an extra 22mil per team lol
Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)
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Right, I am sure there may be something in there where conferences get a bump for each team in the playoff. So having multiple teams in will be a bonus, but its not paid out at per team in the conference.
And it wont be 22m bonus per school. My guess is each extra team in the playoff may end up being somewhere in the 1M per team when divided out. Depending on conf size, so maybe the conference gets an extra 10-15M per extra school in the playoff, that is then divided by the conf membership.
So if every conference that is part of the playoff gets 250M per year to divide up to the membership.
A conference that has 2 teams in the playoff might get something like 265M getting the 15M bonus, to divide up to the membership. Just as an example. Still would be 20-25M per team in participating conferences with those getting multiple teams getting a bit more, guessing 1-5M max each.
I think your probably right for this short term cfb playoff expansion but if I had to guess I think the next round of talks will have conferences getting multiple teams in will get a bigger piece of the pie. Most years (rightly or wrongly) will see at least 6/7 teams from the SEC and big ten. With the other conferences getting 3 auto bids, ND and then the last spot will float around. Really doubt the greed of the P2 will allow the rest of the P5 to get more of the playoff money when they are supplying the majority of the teams. Hope I’m wrong but just don’t see that staying in place especially if the PAC gets absorbed by the Big12
Thats what I said.....Although I think what you are saying is every team in the playoff gets a "share" of the total money, instead of it being a base rate plus a bonus for extra teams. It could go that way, but you have to realize there is still other votes out there beyond the P2 that are involved. So I can see it being the need for a base share, plus bonus.
If I understand what you are talking say there are 12 teams they would give conference something like 50M per team in the playoff. So if the SEC had 4 teams in the Playoff they would get 200M, and if the Big 12 had 2 in the playoff they would get 100M etc.
What could happen is somewhat in between, less of a base for the conference and more of a bonus for the extra teams.
Either way its not a bonus for each team in the conference, its a bonus for each conference/team in the playoff. So no matter what just adding teams to a conference is not going to increase your share, actually the opposite unless said teams increase your likelihood of getting a bonus team in the playoff.
Yep agreed. One thing I would say is that those votes from the other conferences are very important. If the PAC dies one of those votes vanishes and another autobid disappears most likely to the SEC. Losing the PAC vote is extremely problematic becuase it just leaves the Big12 and ACC against the P2’s interest. The lower conferences have a vote/votes but if they make too much of a fuss the P4/5 will just set their own P4/5 playoff.
Just realizing if OU/UT had happened the same week as USC/UCLA, chances are very good the 18 leftovers would’ve merged together and Iowa State would be in a conference with Cal and Stanford. Life is weird
Yep. While I don't normally support cultists, this is one time to thank A&M for spilling the beans on OuT. Obviously, they did it for selfish reasons and not to benefit us. But thanks anyways. Otherwise, there is also the possibility that the PAC would've taken the Southern Big12 teams and left us in the cold.
I believe your wrong.
What I have seen the equal split per conference is changing with the 12 team playoff and all the P5 schools will get an equal split of the monies not given to G5 schools. That makes sense, because no way were 16 team Big10 or SEC going to split equal $ as a 10 or 12 team Big12/Pac10.
On my close the gap statement, maybe I wasn't clear. The Pac12 could use the Playoff money to "close the gap".
Big12 Schools.
Big12 Media Deal - $31.7M per.
P5 Playoff (71 Teams) -$22.5M.
Total Big 12 - $54.2M.
Pac12 Schools - 2 New
New Media Deal -$15.0M per
P5 Playoff - $12.0M
Total Pac 12 New - $27.0M
So the Pac12's "big boy entry fee" for SMU and SDSU is $41M. $20M in lower media deal payments & $21M Playoff $ held back.
Pac12 Schools - Legacy
New Media Deal -$25.0M per.
P5 Playoff - $22.5M per.
Pac12 Fee - $4.1M ($41M/10)
Total Pac12 Legacy - $51.6M
Gap closed between Big12 and Pac12 Legacy from $6.7M to $2.6M.
Why would SDSU do that? They are scheduled to make $4M on MWC media deal and $7M on Playoff. $27M in Pac12 is a lot more than $11M in MWC. Likewise, SMU would make $14M in AAC. Both figures assume G5 schools will get 20% split of 12 team Playoff monies or $400M annually. IMO, that is not a certainty as each G5 school currently receives about $1.33M annually.
No loophole. The SEC & Big10 went from 14 to 16 teams after the initial steering committee with Bowsby, Sankey and I believe Swarbrick announced the proposed 12 team Playoff format in spring 2021.
The Big12 after losing OUT didn't stay at 10 teams, bumped up to 12 teams.
The Pac12 is looking to add SDSU & SMU to get back to 12 and in recent days media reports have cropped up mentioning Rice, UNLV, BSU. I would be surprised if the Pac12 makes many friends adding 4 teams, but they are fighting for their survival.
Plus the "loophole" only works if ESPN, Fox, Amazon, CBS, etc are willing to pay for the additional inventory as part of their Media Rights deal.
The escalator is guaranteed for the ESPN portion, the Fox portion is negotiable or able to be negotiated with a new partner.
I have not seen anything like that, That would make no sense otherwise everyone would just add as many teams as possible.
I guess if you have a link that says every team gets an equal cut I would love to see it, as well as that its derived by a per team basis not a per conference.
And even with your math, those new adds will only accept a lower amount for a limited time, like every other upgrade you cant hold them down at that rate forever.
What is interesting you are saying the media deal now is 15M and adding a couple G5s makes it 25M? Yeah dont get that. Their are a lot of sources out there that its maybe 20M, and not sure ESPN is still in. But adding G5s to the Pac is not going to increase the pay, esp not that much, in the PAC. And most likely will dilute the per team pay.
I would like to know where you are coming up with some of this. Cuz not only have I never seen anything like this, everything I have seen says otherwise.
Think he is saying the PAC can lowball the two new schools and split it among the current schools to make the current schools higher. Says the new schools would do it because it’s better than they are now.
No, what you don’t get is the contention. You don’t seem to understand it’s a conditional statement- not a prediction on the odds of such condition being met or a desire for it to be. I don’t want SDSU, but if it were to be a means to start the gutting the PAC, it would be worth it.
And you also don’t understand what doomed the Big 12
Why do we have to root for other conferences to be dead? How does that help college football at all?
I'm not going to feel awful for the likes of Stanford, Cal, Utah, Colorado, or the Pac 12 media douchebags but having other people get ****** doesn't do much to help us any
Yes, I get that it makes us more likely to survive. I want college football to be healthy too. Sport has been bad for a while but is finally moving in the right direction. Less conferences doesn't make the game better.
I'm not going to feel awful for the likes of Stanford, Cal, Utah, Colorado, or the Pac 12 media douchebags but having other people get ****** doesn't do much to help us any
Yes, I get that it makes us more likely to survive. I want college football to be healthy too. Sport has been bad for a while but is finally moving in the right direction. Less conferences doesn't make the game better.
Like I mentioned. The Pac12 or Big12 can only add schools if ESPN, FOX, Amazon, etc. are willing to invest in additional schools. Sure the Big12 has a pro-rata with ESPN, but doesn't require the school to be P5? PLUS simce ESPN is the Big12's MEDIA PARTNER and the Big12 wants to do business with ESPN 2031 & beyond- the Big12 isn't going to add ANY P5 school before getting ESPN's approval.
I've seen it a couple places, most recently Greg F? YouTube vlog. He broke USC to Big10.
But think about it. Do you think the Big10 & SEC were happy to split $79M of 4 team Playoff $ 14 ways, while the Big12 was able to split $79M 10 ways? Not a chance!
Lower payments for new members is nothing new- Neb, Rutgers & MD all took lower Big10 shares. Who knows what's going to happen in 2030- but if you were SMU, SDSU, BSU, UNLV, etc. wouldn't you accept the future unknowns for the knowns through 2030? Plus even at a reduced payout from Pac12, they are making at least double their G5 revenue.
The number I've seen from Pac12 is $25M per and Amazon only wants Tier 1 rights and ESPN would take the rest. Interesting, Amazon only wants a 2 year deal, with a 2 year renewal. If the deal was $20M- every Pac12 school would be on phone with Yormark
It's simple, it's better for ISU and the B12 to be the undisputed 3rd conference behind the B10 and SEC. If it takes killing off the P12 for that to happen, then so be it.
As long as the P12 and ACC continue to exist, then we have 2 major conferences, and 3 smaller conferences based on revenue. If the P12 is out of the game, the B12 grows more, then they just have to wait for the B10 and SEC to destroy the ACC when their GOR is up, and the B12 takes the best of the rest.
The PAC won't be competition if we take Oregon/Washington or Arizona/Arizona State. Why does them existing as a small step above the MW matter? What are they gonna actually do to catch up to us in that scenerio?
Not sure the current PAC and the future gutted ACC would have that same leverage anyways.
