Big 12 Conference Realignment

[Cyclonepride]

Oregon always takes the Oregon trail when the can. Duh.

Excellent point

 

[drmwevr08]

Oregon always takes the Oregon trail when the can. Duh.

That would be dumb. The constant dysentery is a *****.

 

[Clonedogg]

Keep seeing rumors about Cal, Stanford, WU, Oregon to the ACC?

How in the holy hell does that make any sense? Washington to Florida State is one mother ****** of a road trip

Not any different than UW to UCF, if UO and UW joined the B12.

 

[KnappShack]

Not any different than UW to UCF, if UO and UW joined the B12.

That makes zero sense too.

 

[PickSix]

That makes zero sense too.

It's definitely a pet peeve of mine when people pick the geographic outliers of a conference and ignore all the other teams.

Fact of the matter is that average travel time would be far better in the Big 12 than the ACC. West coast teams will be in middle America much more than they will be on the east coast in the Big 12. Can't say that about the ACC.

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

Oregon always takes the Oregon trail when the can. Duh.

Between rattle snake bites and typhoid fever will they even be able to field a team?

 

[jcyclonee]

If that happens, I’m asking JLH if I can motorboat because crazy is happening.

Like you haven't asked her already.

 

[KnappShack]

Pete Mundo going full crazy on this pod. Talking how B12 should go after FSU, Clemson, UO and UW, not that we shouldn't but I'd give it 00.01% chance of happening.

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That was a rumor the last time the Big 12 decided to try suicide.

Seemed crazy at the time, but....now....any goddam thing goes

 

[BCClone]

Like you haven't asked her already.

Think I have, but that would mean that my gaze would have shifted upward to confirm it was her.

 

[jcyclonee]

Think I have, but that would mean that my gaze would have shifted upward to confirm it was her.

I was going to say something about looking into her beautiful eyes but I guess I'm just assuming that she has eyes. I'm not really sure.

 

[HouClone]

It seems like something is going to happen by the end of the week for the Pac. Too much smoke being seen (reported) by everyone.

 

[surly]

It seems like something is going to happen by the end of the week for the Pac. Too much smoke being seen (reported) by everyone.

It would be nice to get beyond this.

 

[2speedy1]

That makes zero sense too.

It's definitely a pet peeve of mine when people pick the geographic outliers of a conference and ignore all the other teams.

Fact of the matter is that average travel time would be far better in the Big 12 than the ACC. West coast teams will be in middle America much more than they will be on the east coast in the Big 12. Can't say that about the ACC.

Anymore the size of the travel is not a major thing for most conferences today, especially in Football. Look at the B12, I dont think we are taking busses to very many places anymore. Maybe the Kansas schools but that is about it. But as the footprint has gotten beyond a couple hours of drive time, everyone flys.

When you talk about flying, going from one side of the country to the other, really only adds a small amount of time, maybe an extra Hour or two. So spending 2 or 3 hours on a plane vs spending 4 or 5 is not that big of a deal.

Where it makes a bit of a difference is the other teams outside of football, but this is going to be more that they will have to charter everything more than taking commercial for smaller teams possibly. But in reality all of ISUs teams fly to Texas, just like all the teams from AZ fly to Oregon, etc. so for teams to fly from Oregon to Florida is not that much of a difference than flying to AZ. The extreme in this case Seattle to Tallahassee being 5 hours, vs Seattle to Tucson being 2.5 hours.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Keep seeing rumors about Cal, Stanford, WU, Oregon to the ACC?

How in the holy hell does that make any sense? Washington to Florida State is one mother ****** of a road trip

The geography doesn’t matter. What doesn’t make sense in that scenario is that it would free up Clemson, Miami, and FSU to go conference shopping.

 

[RezClone]

Between rattle snake bites and typhoid fever will they even be able to field a team?

You can always try to buy one when you get to Fort Kearny. But that hasn't worked out too well for Nebraska recently...

 

[RezClone]

In a matter of about 1 year the PAC went from the hot, stuck up cheerleader that wouldn't look at the big XII, to the now crazy, meth addict with a couple kids.

More like the unhinged blue-haired activist who can't even pay her bills, but still doubles down on her holier-than-thou attitude because she's certain that she's just better than you.

For all the strengths 'Big XII Country' has over the PAC, I think it's safe to say we have the market cornered on meth addicts w/ a couple of kids.

 

[RustShack]

I think the GOR would be a roadblock. If it opens up the GOR, I could see 8-10 ACC schools being firmly against it. If the GOR remains in place, I can't see WAOR signing on to a deal that runs almost through the B10/B12's next (not the ones they signed last year) deals.

There's another theory out there that there might not be all that much more network money available right now at the SEC/B10 level. That could explain why the B10 hasn't finished off the PAC by taking WAOR. The networks might be more agreeable to paying certain schools in the B12/ACC for the next 7-12 years.

Expanding doesn’t open up the GoR. It opens up media negotiations. The new schools just sign the GoR that the current schools are on. The GoR runs the length of the media contract, but they are not the same thing.

 

[Proton]

https://www.si.com/fannation/college/cfb-hq/.amp/ncaa-football/college-football-expansion-big-ten-targeting-pac-12-schools

 

[RezClone]

I actually think it makes plenty of sense and is pretty much the only hope for either conference and/or its members to survive all this. An "American Coastal Conference" adding those schools to the current ACC would be a decent cultural fit as many share the same academic snobbery. And a conference with the likes of Oregon, Clemson, Washington, FSU, UNC, Miami, Stanford, Duke, GT, etc. wouldn't be a horrible lineup. Obviously ND would be the golden goose but I don't ever see that happening, and they'd still likely get raided once the GoR is up, but I think it'd be a pretty good hail mary.

I'll push back based on the fact that at the same time you'd double the amount of Cal Stanford type matchups, which is a big part of the problem for the PAC or ACC. No way ESPN is itching to throw a single red cent at Cal vs Duke or Stanford vs GT.

I acknowledge you admitted it's a hail mary, so I'm not implying you think it's a good fix. But I'll tell you right now I'd rather watch Memphis vs Tulane any day.

The problem is the ratio of watchable programs vs unwatchable programs. You can't address that problem without violating a decades worth of grant of rights which is prohibitively expensive for even FSU and Clemson. You can add, but you can't delete.

The demise of the Big 12 has been overstated for years. Its strength is it's lack of dead weight. Are there blue bloods? No. But Iowa State vs West Virgina... or Kansas State vs Baylor or Tech... is objectively watchable in a vacuum. I'm not tuning into BC vs GT even in a standalone time slot. Adding Stanford or Cal to the equation is nightmare fuel.

The saturation of time slots is the Big 12s biggest problem, I've said that for years and would like to see more creative scheduling. I think we increase our TV ratings drastically if we move more tier 1 and 2 matchups away from the ultra-competitive Saturday time slots that the Big Ten blue bloods and the SEC dominate. I wouldn't be suprised at all if Yormark already sold the networks in part on our willingness to move in that direction, especially without OuT standing in the way. Sure, it's a tough pill to swallow for JTS tailgaters, but so is being relegated below P5 status.

 

[Gonzo]

I'll push back based on the fact that at the same time you'd double the amount of Cal Stanford type matchups, which is a big part of the problem for the PAC or ACC. No way ESPN is itching to throw a single red cent at Cal vs Duke or Stanford vs GT.

I acknowledge you admitted it's a hail mary, so I'm not implying you think it's a good fix. But I'll tell you right now I'd rather watch Memphis vs Tulane any day.

The problem is the ratio of watchable programs vs unwatchable programs. You can't address that problem without violating a decades worth of grant of rights which is prohibitively expensive for even FSU and Clemson. You can add, but you can't delete.

The demise of the Big 12 has been overstated for years. Its strength is it's lack of dead weight. Are there blue bloods? No. But Iowa State vs West Virgina... or Kansas State vs Baylor or Tech... is objectively watchable in a vacuum. I'm not tuning into BC vs GT even in a standalone time slot. Adding Stanford or Cal to the equation is nightmare fuel.

The saturation of time slots is the Big 12s biggest problem, I've said that for years and would like to see more creative scheduling. I think we increase our TV ratings drastically if we move more tier 1 and 2 matchups away from the ultra-competitive Saturday time slots that the Big Ten blue bloods and the SEC dominate. I wouldn't be suprised at all if Yormark already sold the networks in part on our willingness to move in that direction, especially without OuT standing in the way. Sure, it's a tough pill to swallow for JTS tailgaters, but so is being relegated below P5 status.

You make good points but on this one I think you're speaking as a Big 12 fan. I don't think non-Big 12 fans are any more interested in KSU v. Texas Tech than you are in BC v. GT.