Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[KennyPratt42]

My dream scenario is that Colorado, Arizona, and Arizona St. come to the Big 12 and works with ESPN to get UCF to the ACC to get the Big 12 to 14 teams and the ACC to 16 teams. Oregon, Washington, Stanford, and Cal would likely each individually end up either in the Big 10 or as an independent and Utah (along with Oregon St. and Washington St.) end up in a reconstituted Mountain West. My second favorite scenario is the above, but UCF is in the Big 12 and the Big 12 and ACC are both at 15 members.

 

[Cyclonsin]

My dream scenario is that Colorado, Arizona, and Arizona St. come to the Big 12 and works with ESPN to get UCF to the ACC to get the Big 12 to 14 teams and the ACC to 16 teams. Oregon, Washington, Stanford, and Cal would likely each individually end up either in the Big 10 or as an independent and Utah (along with Oregon St. and Washington St.) end up in a reconstituted Mountain West. My second favorite scenario is the above, but UCF is in the Big 12 and the Big 12 and ACC are both at 15 members.

Give me Colorado and 'Zona in this round. Selfishly, I would also like ASU since Sun Devil is one of my favorite stadiums but we don't need them.

This doesn't dilute any more than needed, separates the Big XII further from the PAC, and leaves plenty of room for a couple ACC teams in a few years.

I'm sure the remaining PAC schools will back fill from the MWC/AAC/CUSA and retain the prestigious PAC name, but I wouldn't be worried about them leapfrogging the Big XII anytime soon.

 

[RustShack]

As soon as the ACC adds schools, their current GOR is void.

No it’s not lol. The new schools would just sign it.

 

[Gorm]

No it’s not lol. The new schools would just sign it.

And you know this how? We are all just guessing here. One thing we know for sure is that Florida State has been actively looking for an out to their GOR. If they have an opportunity, they will likely take advantage of it.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

If it’s binding, do the pissed off schools just say, we don’t want another couple million per school even though we are stuck? May look at it as let’s make the worst situation better and keep fighting for more. ESPN may believe that by getting those two schools, they can pay their value without having the other dead weight schools hanging with them.

If it’s only a couple million that vanishes immediately with travel costs and it hasn’t been shown how much value those program even bring to a conference yet. We know it’s not enough to get a deal done for the PAC, how much could they even add to the ACC?

 

[awd4cy]

No it’s not lol. The new schools would just sign it.

Other than the fact Florida State and Clemson won’t be signing a new GOR.

 

[RustShack]

Other than the fact Florida State and Clemson won’t be signing a new GOR.

And they won’t have to until the current one expires in 10+ years.

 

[Cyclonsin]

Other than the fact Florida State and Clemson won’t be signing a new GOR.

My understanding (which could be totally wrong) is that the GOR doesn't need to be opened and resigned to add schools.

BUT their current media rights deal doesn't currently include a pro rata clause for additions so they'd only further dilute the per-team shares unless they can get ESPN back to the table. Why would ESPN even consider renegotiating the incredible value they're currently getting?

 

[RustShack]

My understanding (which could be totally wrong) is that the GOR doesn't need to be opened and resigned to add schools.

BUT their current media rights deal doesn't currently include a pro rata clause for additions so they'd only further dilute the per-team shares unless they can get ESPN back to the table. Why would ESPN even consider renegotiating the incredible value they're currently getting?

ESPN doesn’t have to agree to give them more per school, just agree to add the new members for the same price. Or they add another partner to help with more inventory. Or a combination of both, which could lead to more per school.

 

[Cyclonsin]

ESPN doesn’t have to agree to give them more per school, just agree to add the new members for the same price. Or they add another partner to help with more inventory. Or a combination of both, which could lead to more per school.

But does ESPN even have to give them the same amount per school? I don't think they have that clause in their current media deal.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

ESPN doesn’t have to agree to give them more per school, just agree to add the new members for the same price. Or they add another partner to help with more inventory. Or a combination of both, which could lead to more per school.

Can’t add another partner but could potentially add the new members for the same price. Not sure why the schools like FSU and Clemson would agree to it but they could.

 

[RustShack]

But does ESPN even have to give them the same amount per school? I don't think they have that clause in their current media deal.

No. And if ESPN doesn’t want the to pay for expansion, then the ACC doesn’t expand.

 

[ClonerJams]

Colorado can come back, but they have to pay the 'deez tax'

 

[2speedy1]

As soon as the ACC adds schools, their current GOR is void.

No, their current GOR remains all new teams will have to sign their current GOR for the remainder. The GOR and the Media contract are separate deals, but work together. This has been published somewhere a few months ago, that any teams the ACC would add would be required to sign their current GOR until the end of the term.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

I am begging people to use some critical thinking skills. Why would adding schools to the ACC void the GOR? And if that were the case, why would Wake Forest etc. ever agree to add schools to the league?

 

[2speedy1]

Other than the fact Florida State and Clemson won’t be signing a new GOR.

There wont be a new GOR to sign. The GOR remains until the end, all new teams would have to sign the current GOR to the remainder of the contract. That is how that works.

 

[2speedy1]

My understanding (which could be totally wrong) is that the GOR doesn't need to be opened and resigned to add schools.

BUT their current media rights deal doesn't currently include a pro rata clause for additions so they'd only further dilute the per-team shares unless they can get ESPN back to the table. Why would ESPN even consider renegotiating the incredible value they're currently getting?

They have a clause that says if it is a significant change then they would renegotiate. Otherwise they would pay Pro Rata. So if they add teams that significantly change the value up or down they could open the media contract up for renegotiation, but if it is not a significant change in value they just get the Pro Rata.

The GOR is separate and would need to be signed by any new member for the remainder of the GOR contract.

 

[clone52]

I am begging people to use some critical thinking skills. Why would adding schools to the ACC void the GOR? And if that were the case, why would Wake Forest etc. ever agree to add schools to the league?

It might not void it, but maybe there is a clause that lets others get out of it if they change. Your point still stands, why would schools agree to that.

I could see a school like Clemson or Florida State resist adding teams unless they themselves could get out of the GOR

 

[Clonefan94]

It might not void it, but maybe there is a clause that lets others get out of it if they change. Your point still stands, why would schools agree to that.

I could see a school like Clemson or Florida State resist adding teams unless they themselves could get out of the GOR

If this were the case, FSU, Clemson and Miami would have been actively trying to add any teams who would bite. Why go out, like FSU did and start clamoring about wanting more money/unequal share from the current teams if all they had to do was to start convincing the other schools that adding teams would be the best bet for the ACC.

I'm not a lawyer, I haven't read any GOR contracts in full, but I am amazed at how many people think the things are so easy to manipulate and get out of. If GOR didn't mean anything, OU And UT would have been gone right away. The only way they are even leaving early is the remaining Big 12 teams figured it was in our best interest to just move on without them. That was only one year early and OU and UT still have to pay to leave.

 

[awd4cy]

And they won’t have to until the current one expires in 10+ years.

Well yeah, but in 10 years they are gone.