Way too early starting lineup talk for the 23-24 season

[bosco]

Small lineup

Lipsey
BRE
BRE
BRE
BRE

Big lineup

BRE
BRE
BRE
BRE
BRE

 

[CycloneBamaFan]

Williams
Gilbert
Jones
Biliew
King

I agree with this but replace Jones with Momcilovic. I am not a fan of Lipsey as most people think he is solid. I thought he was a huge liability as a scorer last year. If he does not learn how to shoot this off season, then he should be benched and let one of the other guards have a shot.

 

[RustShack]

Guys who should start?
Lipsey
Pav
Jones
Gilbert
Omaha
Milan
King

Guys who will probably start?
Lipsey
Pav
Gilbert
Omaha
Ward

 

[cjkimm15]

200 minutes per game this is how I project things shaking out. Towards the bottom with both players listed I’m assuming they would both total for the minutes projected. So with 200 minutes to go around I’d project Watson and Williams to combine for 15 of those minutes.

I think the top 4 in starting lineup and pretty safe to assume as locks to start more than likely. I’d give Tre the nod to start over Milan for now but could see that being a question mark. Guessing Tre and Milan see a similar amount of minutes depending on the style of team we’re playing against.

Tamin 29 Minutes
Paveletzke 27 Minutes
Gilbert 28 Minutes
Omaha 25 Minutes
King 22 Minutes

Jones 22 Minutes
Milan 21 Minutes
Watson/Williams 15 Minutes
Ward/Rob 11 Minutes

 

[clonehome]

I have to think a long player who can shoot like Milan appears to be able to would have got major minutes this year if not starting.

At some point you have to baptize young players by fire on defense to get their offense on the floor. Happens all the time with NBA rookies.

If Milan’s comp is Mathew Mayer I would be thrilled.

 

[cyclonekrazie]

In all the years of mbb lineup threads, this one is the biggest crapshoot I can ever recall.

Between the four frosh, 3 transfers, and J williams we have 8 players who've never set foot on the floor in Hilton, Throw in King who only got a semester and Ward who got limited minutes in most games.

I calculate we're only returning 23% of our minutes from last year.

I think TJ plays 9 guys significant minutes, the rest will have to be patient.

Lipsey
Pav
Gilbert
Biliew
King

And then big minutes for Jones, Momcilovic, Watson, and Ward.

Spot minutes for BRE, unless he beats out Ward again.

TBD: Hamilton, Fish, and J Williams (hope he can recover 100%).

Unfortunately patience doesn’t exist in college athletics. Hope Hamilton can see a light at the end of the tunnel after this season

 

[CyLyte2]

Unfortunately patience doesn’t exist in college athletics. Hope Hamilton can see a light at the end of the tunnel after this season

It’s kind of funny that people just assume Hamilton or any other guy is going to sit the bench. Last year it was Tamin Lipsey who was going to have to be patient.

 

[SoleCyclone]

It’s kind of funny that people just assume Hamilton or any other guy is going to sit the bench. Last year it was Tamin Lipsey who was going to have to be patient.

Lipsey was forced into the minutes he played this year. J. Williams would have been the starting point guard day 1 if not for an injury

 

[CyLyte2]

Lipsey was forced into the minutes he played this year. J. Williams would have been the starting point guard day 1 if not for an injury

There is no way Lipsey would have been on the bench. He’s the most talented player we had.

 

[SoleCyclone]

There is no way Lipsey would have been on the bench. He’s the most talented player we had.

Ok, so again I find myself having to explain obvious stuff to you.
Hunter transfers to Texas J. Williams gets brought in to be a point guard replacement. Lipsey is a freshman recruit, a 4 year type of guy.
I know you have a hard-on for Lipsey, but if you think TJ wants to have a true freshman point guard year after year you are either crazy or just don't know basketball. Which is ok for you to admit

 

[brokenloginagain]

Unfortunately patience doesn’t exist in college athletics. Hope Hamilton can see a light at the end of the tunnel after this season

Not worried about Hamilton at all - if you're 6'6", athletic, and can shoot it he may take Jones/Williams minutes this season.

 

[CyPunch]

I think it's either...

Lipsey
Pav
Gilbert
Omaha
King/Ward/BRE

OR

Lipsey
Gilbert
Jones
Omaha
King/Ward/BRE

I would put money on the first lineup above.

The starter in the post is probably an open competition this summer/fall.

 

[isucy86]

I like our depth a lot. One think I noticed in NCAA Tournament was a trend among elite teams to not play their studs huge minutes (35+). And in some cases really good guards/wings were playing around 28 minutes. Not sure if this is an extension of minute management we see in the NBA. Instead of having players sit out games, just reduce minutes to maximize guys energy levels in Feb/Mar.

IMO TJ is going to go with the following starting lineup in November:

Williams
Gilbert
Curtis Jones
Biliew
King

I could definitely see Rob Jones starting over Biliew in November, but my guess is TJ made promises to Bilew that he would be given every opportunity to start. I would not surprise me if our 5 guards (starters plus Lipsey & Paveletzke) all average around 25mpg. If a guy is playing well in a game he will get closer to 30 minutes and if not making his shots 20 minutes.

For me the 3 wildcards are Watson, Momcilovic and Ward.

• Watson needs to work hard on his shooting this off-season and develop his 3 from the wings and key area. He was basically a corner 3 jump shooter last season. If he develops, he could be a 20mpg guy. If he doesn't less than 10 mpg.
• Momcilovic. Is his body strength Big12 ready and can he be a 6-8 rpg guy? If yes then he will play 25mpg. If not, I could see him only playing 10-15mpg as a stretch 4.
• Ward might be the biggest unknown. If he has the same offensive skills and team defense awareness as this past season, he will barely hit the floor. If he makes nice strides over the summer, I could see him start and maybe TJ plays bigger with Biliew splitting minutes at 3/4 and King splitting minutes at 4/5. Then there would be a crunch for minutes among the guards.

I know its not a popular idea, but could we see Hamilton and Fish redshirt? Unless they are much better than expected, just don't see more than 5mpg and if that expectation is created up front during fall camp, it might be easier for the players to accept and keep a positive outlook.

 

[Statefan10]

I like our depth a lot. One think I noticed in NCAA Tournament was a trend among elite teams to not play their studs huge minutes (35+). And in some cases really good guards/wings were playing around 28 minutes. Not sure if this is an extension of minute management we see in the NBA. Instead of having players sit out games, just reduce minutes to maximize guys energy levels in Feb/Mar.

IMO TJ is going to go with the following starting lineup in November:

Williams
Gilbert
Curtis Jones
Biliew
King

I could definitely see Rob Jones starting over Biliew in November, but my guess is TJ made promises to Bilew that he would be given every opportunity to start. I would not surprise me if our 5 guards (starters plus Lipsey & Paveletzke) all average around 25mpg. If a guy is playing well in a game he will get closer to 30 minutes and if not making his shots 20 minutes.

For me the 3 wildcards are Watson, Momcilovic and Ward.

• Watson needs to work hard on his shooting this off-season and develop his 3 from the wings and key area. He was basically a corner 3 jump shooter last season. If he develops, he could be a 20mpg guy. If he doesn't less than 10 mpg.
• Momcilovic. Is his body strength Big12 ready and can he be a 6-8 rpg guy? If yes then he will play 25mpg. If not, I could see him only playing 10-15mpg as a stretch 4.
• Ward might be the biggest unknown. If he has the same offensive skills and team defense awareness as this past season, he will barely hit the floor. If he makes nice strides over the summer, I could see him start and maybe TJ play bigger with Biliew splitting minutes at 3/4 and King splitting minutes at 4/5. Then there would be a crunch for minutes among the guards.

I know its not a popular idea, but could we see Hamilton and Fish redshirt? Unless they are much better than expected, just don't see more than 5mpg and if that expectation is created up front during fall camp, it might be easier for the players to accept and keep a positive outlook.

I’d be extremely surprised if Williams started over Lipsey, especially considering Williams is still coming back from a significant injury.

 

[CyPunch]

I like our depth a lot. One think I noticed in NCAA Tournament was a trend among elite teams to not play their studs huge minutes (35+). And in some cases really good guards/wings were playing around 28 minutes. Not sure if this is an extension of minute management we see in the NBA. Instead of having players sit out games, just reduce minutes to maximize guys energy levels in Feb/Mar.

IMO TJ is going to go with the following starting lineup in November:

Williams
Gilbert
Curtis Jones
Biliew
King

I could definitely see Rob Jones starting over Biliew in November, but my guess is TJ made promises to Bilew that he would be given every opportunity to start. I would not surprise me if our 5 guards (starters plus Lipsey & Paveletzke) all average around 25mpg. If a guy is playing well in a game he will get closer to 30 minutes and if not making his shots 20 minutes.

For me the 3 wildcards are Watson, Momcilovic and Ward.

• Watson needs to work hard on his shooting this off-season and develop his 3 from the wings and key area. He was basically a corner 3 jump shooter last season. If he develops, he could be a 20mpg guy. If he doesn't less than 10 mpg.
• Momcilovic. Is his body strength Big12 ready and can he be a 6-8 rpg guy? If yes then he will play 25mpg. If not, I could see him only playing 10-15mpg as a stretch 4.
• Ward might be the biggest unknown. If he has the same offensive skills and team defense awareness as this past season, he will barely hit the floor. If he makes nice strides over the summer, I could see him start and maybe TJ plays bigger with Biliew splitting minutes at 3/4 and King splitting minutes at 4/5. Then there would be a crunch for minutes among the guards.

I know its not a popular idea, but could we see Hamilton and Fish redshirt? Unless they are much better than expected, just don't see more than 5mpg and if that expectation is created up front during fall camp, it might be easier for the players to accept and keep a positive outlook.

Why do you think JW will start over Tamin?

Pav or Curtis Jones is a fun starting lineup debate. I lean in favor of Pav but could see it go both ways. Pav needs to see 25+ minutes regardless imo.

Omaha is starting. It will be between King/Ward/BRE for the other frontcourt spot.

 

[isucy86]

I’d be extremely surprised if Williams started over Lipsey, especially considering Williams is still coming back from a significant injury.

If Lipsey develops his shot this summer, I would say Lipsey starts over Williams regardless how healthy Williams foot is. But if Williams is close to 100% and Lipsey's jumper is marginally better than last season, I feel Williams starts.

Beside limiting turnovers, the one skill that will override all others for our guards is hitting 3 point shots. Whoever hits 36%+ will get more minutes than guys struggling to hit 30%.

 

[Statefan10]

If Lipsey develops his shot this summer, I would say Lipsey starts over Williams regardless how healthy Williams foot is. But if Williams is close to 100% and Lipsey's jumper is marginally better than last season, I feel Williams starts.

Beside limiting turnovers, the one skill that will override all others for our guards is hitting 3 point shots. Whoever hits 36%+ will get more minutes than guys struggling to hit 30%.

We’ll just have to wait and see! I think with shooters and playmakers around Tamin he’s going to be so much more effective. He’ll take a step forward in his shooting but it won’t be 36% from 3. I also don’t think Williams will be at that either. I’d say both will be around 31-33%. I really don’t think if Williams shoots it at a little higher percentage that he’ll get the nod.

Lipsey was arguably a top 5 defensive guard and probably the best rebounding PG in the league.

 

[MJ271]

If Lipsey develops his shot this summer, I would say Lipsey starts over Williams regardless how healthy Williams foot is. But if Williams is close to 100% and Lipsey's jumper is marginally better than last season, I feel Williams starts.

Beside limiting turnovers, the one skill that will override all others for our guards is hitting 3 point shots. Whoever hits 36%+ will get more minutes than guys struggling to hit 30%.

Remember that Williams shot 32% from three in his freshman year and 23% from three in his sophomore year. He was more willing to shoot from that distance from Lipsey, but he wasn't exactly draining threes in his most recent live games.

 

[CyLyte2]

Ok, so again I find myself having to explain obvious stuff to you.
Hunter transfers to Texas J. Williams gets brought in to be a point guard replacement. Lipsey is a freshman recruit, a 4 year type of guy.
I know you have a hard-on for Lipsey, but if you think TJ wants to have a true freshman point guard year after year you are either crazy or just don't know basketball. Which is ok for you to admit

Lol. You don’t understand coaches putting their best players on the floor or you didn’t watch Lipsey play. Had Williams not gotten injured we’d have had another Morris - Kane situation. Oh, you’re a condescending ahole if you didn’t know.

 

[NoCreativity]

IMO TJ is going to go with the following starting lineup in November:

Williams
Gilbert
Curtis Jones
Biliew
King

I dont understand what basis some of you guys have for Lipsey being on the bench. He was one of the best all around players on the team last year as a true freshman.

Yeah, his shooting needs some work, but his penetrating skills were better than Hunter and he plays elite defense.

We don't even know when Williams will be full speed and it usually takes a guy a year or two before they are fully recovered from Achilles injuries .

The more plausible scenario is Lipsey starts every game and plays 30 minutes like last year and Williams comes off the bench for defense and ball handling.