That's a lot of conjecture. It's not impossible I just think it's a bit optimistic.
Hoiberg to Transfer to Iowa State???
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He traded those issues for 25 million dollars. That's why he can coach at Nebby and have no expectations. He was rich before his procoaching gig and had multigenerational wealth after.
You seem to forget even if Fred stayed 2 years, he was going to have Monte, Naz, Thomas (Niang and Nader 1 year). He wasn’t going to have to bring in an entire team of transfers if he stayed. Just needed a few decent role players.
Plus we would've landed quality high school kids that we otherwise couldn't and since he couldn't give his word that he would turn down an NBA job.
It really doesn't matter because he didn't stay and he wasn't committed to recruiting, but I'm just telling you that there were some very good players we were at the top of their list for during the 2014 summer before every single one of them chose elsewhere.
Of course he could have had success on the court with what he had. Coaching in college is not just the coaching on the floor and results in athletic win-loss record. He had stagnated in his professional drive at ISU. Had he not stagnated, he could have continued to grow the program. People leave jobs all the time bc of a plateau usually it is bc that job evolved to something other than what they signed up for initially.
How did he plateau? His last 2 season in Ames were his best yet. I guess Iowa State was a 3 seed in 2014 and 2015, but I don’t call that a plateau.
I'm leaving my current job on August 16 for a new one on August 21.
You put it into far better words as to why than I ever could.
Not in win-loss. In desire to do the daily tasks of being a HC of a college program. The actual games are such a small percentage of the work these people do. It is evidenced by is wandering eye and eventual departure alongside his slip in recruiting.
Going from that tier (consistent top 25 team) to the "god tier" above that (something like Kansas... assumed to be a national-title contender most seasons, always at least challenging if not winning their conference, almost unbeatable on their home court, etc.) is still quite a leap to make as a program.
It’s not like he left the program gutted. The worst coach in Iowa State history still was able to come in and get that team to a 4 seed.
Were you not alive to witness Wayne Morgan's "coaching"? There's a reason he ended up selling satelite tv.
Or Greg McDermott who is a good coach, but was much worse during his time here.
I know you're being hyperbolic and it's hard to defend Prohm much anymore after the last two years of his tenure, but he did win a Big 12 tournament with a team of guys he recruited.
There's lots of bad coaches in Iowa State history -- McDermott included! -- who did far less.
Prohm earned the pink slip... but I don't think he's the worst coach in school history.
Yet he was still better than Steve Prohm.
You make good points, but can't deny he coached the worst team in school history as well.
Either you are too young to have witnessed it or have massive recency bias. Prohm might have ended badly here, but he wasn't a terrible coach, just not the right coach for Iowa State. Morgan was an abysmal coach - thus why he got stuck in sales.
