Projected 10 man rotation for 23-24 season

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Starters:
Lipsey
Gilbert
Tre
Omaha
Ward

Bench:
BRE
Pav
Curtis Jones
Watson
Milan

End of Bench/Limited Minutes:
Jelani Hamilton
Kayden Fish

Redshirt:
JT Rock

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Starters: Lipsey - Gilbert - Milan - Omaha - Tre King

In my opinion those are going to be the 5 biggest contributors. We saw Tamin grow last year, Gilbert is the most B12 ready transfer, Omaha and Milan are too talented to keep off the court and Tre should be ready for a starting role after getting some experience last season.

Off the bench: Pav/CJones/Watson/Rob/Ward

Pav and CJones will be great offensive sparks off the bench when needed and will have the opportunity to play a ton. Watson and Ward showed some signs last season and Big Rob is Big Rob - he brings the energy!
 
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Seems like a lot of y’all are underestimating just how good Milan is… I think you’re in for a very very pleasant surprise with him. He’s the real deal. The dude was damn near a McDonald’s All-American.

Not sure why y’all don’t think he’s a near lock to start? Would love to hear some explanation on that?
 
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Here is my best guess. Rob is a starter for the jump and to bring toughness from the start, but he will rotate out pretty early.

Lipsey
Gilbert
Curtis Jones
Omaha
Big Rob

King
Milan
Pav
Watson
Ward

Hamilton and Fish are both really talented freshmen, but they have some work ahead of them to get in the rotation.
 

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King

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Watson
Ward

Hamilton
Fish

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I think starting lineups are very match dependent, if we are playing a smaller team you might see Omaha and king, but you if you play a bigger team you may see Rob starting instead of Tre
 
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This is our deepest, most talented team in a long time.

I have no idea how the pieces will shake out, but at least we have a lot of talented pieces.

3 biggest wildcards, IMHO:

1. Can Lipsey shoot it well enough to be guarded differently?
2. Who's the best option at backup PG
3. Can Omaha play the 5 and we go small ball.

This season is going to be fun.
 

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I've seen some Tre/Omaha/Ward or Tre/Omaha/BRE projections. The only way we're going to start three forwards/bigs is if we go Milan at the "3". Milan is a terrific floor spacer but that lineup would struggle with ball handling and how do we match up defensively?

Also, Keshon Gilbert is going to start at SG. Him and Tamin are locks in the backcourt. It's a different team that will be much better offensively but KG will sort of fill the Jaren Holmes role: Secondary creator and three level scorer. He had some huge games last year as a sophomore at UNLV and is still young for a junior. He's also an elite defender which will pair well next to Tamin. KG finished in the 99th percentile in steal % per Shot Quality.

 
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Starters:
Lipsey
Curtis Jones
Pav
Omaha
Tre

Lots of minutes:
Gilbert
Ward (may start if not going small)
Momcilovic (may start by end of year
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Not many minutes:
Hamilton
Fish
CEO
Kelderman

JT Rock redshirt
No Big Rob? You guys are crazy if you think TJ isn't playing his favorite kind of effort/culture/academics/practice hero.
 
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Looks like a solid 10 man rotation. Only concern is foul trouble at the five since King, Ward and BRE have shown to pick up fouls at a high rate.
 

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Seems like a lot of y’all are underestimating just how good Milan is… I think you’re in for a very very pleasant surprise with him. He’s the real deal. The dude was damn near a McDonald’s All-American.

Not sure why y’all don’t think he’s a near lock to start? Would love to hear some explanation on that?
To me he’s the best recruit because he’s not a one and done, he works incredibly hard, and can go on streaks of 10 straight from deep in practice. He’s going to be hard to keep off the floor. I think Pav probably plays in front of him at least early on, but Milan will be really hard to keep on the bench.
 

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No Big Rob? You guys are crazy if you think TJ isn't playing his favorite kind of effort/culture/academics/practice hero.
Even if TJ loves the kid, BRE being a core player is contingent on his off season improvement. There's just too much talent at the 4/5 spots with: King, Ward, Biliew, Momcilovic.

Rob gives ISU a unique presence on the court- a big, banger. So there will be times he's needed to match-up or create a mismatch. Some games he might be needed for 20 minutes and others 8 minutes. But with the depth we have for 2023/24, his story won't be unique. Guys who play well on any given night will get the lions share of minutes.
 
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Even if TJ loves the kid, BRE being a core player is contingent on his off season improvement. There's just too much talent at the 4/5 spots with: King, Ward, Biliew, Momcilovic.

Rob gives ISU a unique presence on the court- a big, banger. So there will be times he's needed to match-up or create a mismatch. Some games he might be needed for 20 minutes and others 8 minutes. But with the depth we have for 2023/24, his story won't be unique. Guys who play well on any given night will get the lions share of minutes.
I think you underplay how much TJ values Rob. Most people do though.
 

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BRE reminds me of the old school nba bangers that only played when their team played a player like Shaq otherwise not really in rotation. With the talent we have I hope he's never above 10 min, love the hustle but he's not meant to play more than that.
 
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BRE reminds me of the old school nba bangers that only played when their team played a player like Shaq otherwise not really in rotation. With the talent we have I hope he's never above 10 min, love the hustle but he's not meant to play more than that.

Two years in a row BRE has played more minutes than he should late in the season because the guy in front oh him was not good enough (Conditt) or was banged up (Osun). Hopefully the Hason Ward improvement is real and BRE can be utilized as more of an emergency big who plays 10-12 mins a game.

The Conditt/BRE front court in 2022 has to go down as one of the worst Sweet 16 front courts of all time.
 
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To me he’s the best recruit because he’s not a one and done, he works incredibly hard, and can go on streaks of 10 straight from deep in practice. He’s going to be hard to keep off the floor. I think Pav probably plays in front of him at least early on, but Milan will be really hard to keep on the bench.

My optimistic projection for Milan is that he is such an efficient scorer that he forces some other front court players into more situational roles like Niang did his freshman year to Anthony Booker and Percy Gibson.

I plotted out a minutes comparison of that season to see Niang's

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The X Axis is minutes played in a game, and the Y Axis is the game number of the season.
Game 13 was the first conference game, and that's when Georges took over a starting spot. His minutes played average split at that point was 22 before and 27 after.

If the rumblings of Milan being a sniper this summer translate to production on the court we will likely see the combined minutes of Robert Jones and Hason Ward drop to the sub-20 level like what happened to Gibson and Booker in 2013.

Obviously that year's team and this upcoming one are quite different. Melvin Ejim (JR), Will Clyburn (SR), and Chris Babb (SR) were known commodities for the most part, and they were eating up minutes too because we were going 4 guards a lot that year. We'll see what happens this year with the transfers and Omaha at non-PG guard spot and wings.
 

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Lipsey
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(In order off the bench)
C. Jones
King
Ward
Pav
Watson

C. Jones for Lipsey, slide Gilbert to PG. King for Momcilovic, Ward for BRE, Pav for Gilbert, Watson for a universal position, where ever there might be foul trouble or tired player. Most likely Omaha for 2-4 minutes.

Obviously these substitutions could come off the bench at different times, but I just think Gilbert will be our second ball handler other Tamin. As I ramble on I feel like there is a log jam for the 1-3 positions. Glad I’m not TJ, gonna be hard to please any of us hard headed Cyclone fans lol
 

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To me he’s the best recruit because he’s not a one and done, he works incredibly hard, and can go on streaks of 10 straight from deep in practice. He’s going to be hard to keep off the floor. I think Pav probably plays in front of him at least early on, but Milan will be really hard to keep on the bench.
I would be shocked if Pav starts over him. Shocked. Milan is 6’8 and can score it/shoot it just as well if not better than Pav.

Pav was solid at Wofford last year, yes but again, Milan was nearly a McDonald’s All American last year. 35th ranked recruit in the nation. I get this team is talented but when has a recruit of his level ever come in and NOT started?
 
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