ISU Gambling Megathread

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Ok, so now imagine the Department of Criminal Investigations launching a probe into someone drinking underage several months after the fact. This is the DCI we are talking about. Not Ames PD. The same division that's doing drug and prostitution busts and investigating major homicides.

Again, if you have reason to believe someone is fixing games, then have at it. But looking into setting up and using an account under their parents' names-- surely they have something better to do?
DCI is the department that investigates potential violations of Iowa gambling laws, that's part of their role.
 
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Ok, so now imagine the Department of Criminal Investigations launching a probe into someone drinking underage several months after the fact. This is the DCI we are talking about. Not Ames PD. The same division that's doing drug and prostitution busts and investigating major homicides.

Again, if you have reason to believe someone is fixing games, then have at it. But looking into setting up and using an account under their parents' names-- surely they have something better to do?
The lies and coverup are always what do them in also.
 

Clonefan32

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DCI is the department that investigates potential violations of Iowa gambling laws, that's part of their role.

Which I can understand within the context of potential game fixing. No argument here that you should be investigating an potential that someone is betting on games they are a part of or may have inside knowledge about.

But it would appear some of the kids caught up in this were just using their parent's names on an account. Seems to me like a pretty victimless crime and a silly use of resources to try and hunt down 19 year olds that are betting under their parents' names.
 

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Ok, so now imagine the Department of Criminal Investigations launching a probe into someone drinking underage several months after the fact. This is the DCI we are talking about. Not Ames PD. The same division that's doing drug and prostitution busts and investigating major homicides.

Again, if you have reason to believe someone is fixing games, then have in it. But looking into setting up and using an account under your parents name-- surely they have something better to do?
Do tell: how does one know whether or not a group is fixing games after a legitimate complaint is filed? If you discover, upon initial inquiry, that a good number of people within the target group are acting illicitly in a manner apparently consistent with what the complaint alleges, how would you determine whether or not it is an organized criminal conspiracy to defraud professional books by fixing games? Is your local PD supposed to look into that or is the more appropriate investigative body the state department with special resources and expertise in organized, complex criminal activity?

If, in the course of that investigation, you determine that it is not an organized criminal conspiracy but that a good number of people engaged in a significant pattern of misdemeanors (i.e., they may have formed a habit for something that is illegal for them to engage in) and a few actually took steps to obstruct your investigation, would you not act on it? Would you just do nothing and cover it up? Gambling addictions are not harmless, especially for athletes.
 
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Dekkers committed a minor legal infraction. Players have came back and played after more serious crimes. Make Dekkers run some extra sprints after practice and let him play. I don't see the big deal about this at all. Nothing to see here.





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Problem is Dekkers made a major infraction concerning betting on his own team. Capital punishment. Career over in college football. And good luck going pro. Goodbye.
 

SolterraCyclone

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I doubt very much the number is made up or fabricated but it is very likely misunderstood. He didn't wager 45,000 on any one game, he didn't lose 45,000. He didn't put in $45,000 in cash.

Theoretically he could have started with $100 and have never put any more money in and still have wagered the $45,000 total aggregate bets.
I think something is off with the number or he was placing bets for others.

Generally you have to win at a 55-60% clip to break even/win a little money in sports gambling because of the juice.

So, in order to have bet $45K he either would have needed to lose $45Kish or have won about $25K to have kept betting during the time period. Those are still really large amounts for one student, especially considering his background
 

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What's worse? 20 year olds gambling or 20 year olds driving 100mph and risking other peoples' lives? Guess which one gets kicked out of the sport and which ones will make millions in the NFL.
The fine for doing a "California stop" with nobody around is alot more than speeding through a residential area. Which one is more dangerous?

Alot of laws don't make much sense but you still have to follow them.
 
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You can't fire me! I resign! This is the first thing in this whole ****** up mess that made me laugh.

"So he can focus on his studies and on the defense of this criminal charge, Hunter has informed the University and the coaching staff that he cannot participate in fall football camp."
Dont forget the passive aggressive "well everyone else is doing it nationwide, hunter was just targeted"
 

3TrueFans

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Which I can understand within the context of potential game fixing. No argument here that you should be investigating an potential that someone is betting on games they are a part of or may have inside knowledge about.

But it would appear some of the kids caught up in this were just using their parent's names on an account. Seems to me like a pretty victimless crime and a silly use of resources to try and hunt down 19 year olds that are betting under their parents' names.
I don't know obviously, but it seems like maybe if they didn't try to hide things from DCI they maybe get hit with underage gambling? Hunter is only charged with tampering at this point? Either way if you have athletes betting on games, including potentially their own games, I think that is something that is worth investigating and it's DCI that does that.
 

Clonefan32

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Do tell: how does one know whether or not a group is fixing games after a legitimate complaint is filed? If you discover, upon initial inquiry, that a good number of people within the target group are acting illicitly in a manner apparently consistent with what the complaint alleges, how would you determine whether or not it is an organized criminal conspiracy to defraud professional books by fixing games? Is your local PD supposed to look into that or is the more appropriate investigative body the state department with special resources and expertise in organized, complex criminal activity?

If, in the course of that investigation, you determine that it is not an organized criminal conspiracy but that a good number of people engaged in a significant pattern of misdemeanors (i.e., they may have formed a habit for something that is illegal for them to engage in) and a few actually took steps to obstruct your investigation, would you not act on it? Would you just do nothing and cover it up?

If you dig and find evidence they were fixing game, or even doing anything that gives the appearance of fixing games, I'm all for it. I totally get the need to investigate and enforce those rules. If in doing so you turn up a kid who did nothing worse than signed up using a parent's account, I think you leave that alone. Law enforcement and prosecutors exercise charging discretion every day. By the looks of it, this would only be the Iowa kid at the moment who'd fit this criteria, but I'm wondering if there aren't more to come.
 
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Well, the people that always complain that ISU doesn't get enough mainstream media attention are finally getting their wish.
That's like paying your neighbor to satisfy your wife. Same goal is accomplished, but how we got there is less than desirable
 

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