ISU Gambling Megathread

[houjix]

But these are national books. Be interesting to hear if they’ve ever reported this to authorities in other states.

They've been nailing NFL guys, so they are reporting information to someone. In those instances it's probably not a criminal case, but an agreement with the NFL.

 

[ZRF]

You start allowing these things and before you know it, you will have kids from poor families showing up to practice in Mercedes Benzes. Now a days it could be NIL money though.

Lots of things.

You also don't know who's working in those organizations and who they have contacts with. All of a sudden these guys get approached on a street by some bookie/gangster looking to make a big score and uses their gambling/eligibility as leverage.

It's a door better left unopened and the NCAA needs to send a very strong message.

 

[yowza]

Players are not throwing games for $20 on a sports app. They willingly participated in one of the most egregious acts for a college athlete. But dudes aren’t throwing games for pizza money.

They know if they bet bigger money it will draw greater attention very quickly.

 

[Jeffrey Scott]

I remember in the CyHawk game Bruce stumbled on what would've been a sure TD. This was right before the Pottebaum goal line fumble so it could've easily been the go-ahead/winning TD.

Doesn't look like it's one of the ones he bet on (?), but if people are going to go back and scrutinize his play I could see that one getting brought up. (And I don't think there was anything nefarious, he did just slip).

I was in the endzone seating and saw it close-up. Yes, he likely just slipped, but still he was too good for that to happen. It ruined the rest of the game for me.

 

[yowza]

Like Ron Dayne and his girlfriend driving matching 50,000$ SUV's or BJ Armstrong walking around IC in a fur coat and driving some sports car.

Just read the story just out about Johnny Manziel. They admit now he was being laundered cash. They played it off as he had a wealthy grandfather and ran the cash through him.

 

[yowza]

You think the hawkeyes had anyone shaving points last years?

No. They were just that young/talentless on the O.

 

[StLouisClone]

In hindsight, the smart thing for the ISU athletic department to do would have been to meet with the players 1:1 every year in August/September. Go over the gambling rules and emphasize the severe nature of the penalties if you bet on ISU sports. Encourage the players to own up to any past transgressions. I'm sure the school would have cut the suspension time in half if the players had reported the violations on their own.

 

[AuH2O]

Players are not throwing games for $20 on a sports app. They willingly participated in one of the most egregious acts for a college athlete. But dudes aren’t throwing games for pizza money.

I agree, it makes no logical sense that someone would consciously do this.

On the other hand, it also makes no logical sense that someone would piss away their eligibility for a $10 bet.

 

[yowza]

I agree, it makes no logical sense that someone would consciously do this.

On the other hand, it also makes no logical sense that someone would piss away their eligibility for a $10 bet.

Because they believed they would get away with it and no one would look or care about smaller bets.

 

[rochclone]

They know if they bet bigger money it will draw greater attention very quickly.

Unlikely to draw anymore attention if they are betting $15 or $150 on a game.

 

[AuH2O]

In hindsight, the smart thing for the ISU athletic department to do would have been to meet with the players 1:1 every year in August/September. Go over the gambling rules and emphasize the severe nature of the penalties if you bet on ISU sports. Encourage the players to own up to any past transgressions. I'm sure the school would have cut the suspension time in half if the players had reported the violations on their own.

Sorry, if you bet on your own games, especially AGAINST your own team, you are a moron and you just need to be gone. It can't be any more clear.

 

[rochclone]

I agree, it makes no logical sense that someone would consciously do this.

On the other hand, it also makes no logical sense that someone would piss away their eligibility for a $10 bet.

They didn’t believe they would be caught and these guys were betting $10-$20 on 20-25 games a weekend. Iowa State just happened to be one of them. Nobody is throwing games so they can go to Perkins later that night. But why Isaiah Lee bet against Iowa State is a mystery. Maybe he pressed the wrong button when he was inputting his other 14 games that week.

 

[Jeffrey Scott]

The DM Register headline was a grabber. I can't disagree with the observation made by Randy Pete asking how this affects the rest of the kids in the locker room. With nearly 25% of the starting line-up out and new coaches this year it could be a long season, or we'll sneak up on teams because once again, ISU may not be perceived as a threat.

I live out of state and have to fly to Des Moines to get to ISU home games, and for years I've been buying two season tickets the years we play Iowa in Ames to host my hok buddy but I suspended that practice this year even before the gambling thing broke. He was not surprised about interrupting this tradition that has gone back to the first time in a generation that Iowa played in Ames. Honestly, last year snapped my enthusiasm streak.

Still a fan of CMC, Pollard, and the Cyclones and I'll buy tickets again. Just not this year. Clean this up and let's move forward.

 

[1UNI2ISU]

In hindsight, the smart thing for the ISU athletic department to do would have been to meet with the players 1:1 every year in August/September. Go over the gambling rules and emphasize the severe nature of the penalties if you bet on ISU sports. Encourage the players to own up to any past transgressions. I'm sure the school would have cut the suspension time in half if the players had reported the violations on their own.

The school doesn't get to decide NCAA punishments.

The 1:1 thing is asinine. 400+ other SAs didn't bet. They all knew the rules. Plus, the ones that got caught signed off TWICE on their acknowledgement of the rules and penalties.

 

[MartyFine]

Sorry, if you bet on your own games, especially AGAINST your own team, you are a moron and you just need to be gone. It can't be any more clear.

This. I just read the complaint against Lee. He admits to the DCI agent that he knew what he was doing was wrong. I don't know what else ISU can do.

 

[convoluteme]

This. I just read the complaint against Lee. He admits to the DCI agent that he knew what he was doing was wrong. I don't know what else ISU can do.

What a ******* waste.

 

[StLouisClone]

The small bets were probably a way to see if they could get away with it. Still if a player bet only $10 (even on their own ISU game) and stopped there, I don't think the punishment should be as severe as the punishment for a $500 bet that isn't on an ISU game. Both are incredibly stupid, but what is a player trying to gain by betting only $10?

 

[cybychoice]

The mom thing from an Iowa baseball player is categorically false. Stop getting info from freaking Miller and Condon. They got nationally embarrassed yesterday after they reported that the Big Ten title game was moving to Vegas and every national writer immediately got real confirmation from the Big Ten and shot them down. Those two are so in bed with the books that they went with the mom story to take any scrutiny off the books.

The book noticed suspicious activity and reported it to the DCI as their license says they have to. Failure to do so could literally cost them billions. They aren't going to **** around with the chance at losing their license. The book knows exactly who and exactly where every bet is being placed. This wasn't some witch hunt against athletes. The athletes were dumb enough to do something that triggered the software to say 'something's up here'.

I spoke directly with an athlete at Iowa who told me that the baseball player made a bet from inside the facility triggering the geofence and kicking off the whole investigation.

 

[StLouisClone]

The school doesn't get to decide NCAA punishments.

The 1:1 thing is asinine. 400+ other SAs didn't bet. They all knew the rules. Plus, the ones that got caught signed off TWICE on their acknowledgement of the rules and penalties.

I bet Coach Campbell doesn't think the 1:1 thing is asinine.

 

[1UNI2ISU]

I spoke directly with an athlete at Iowa who told me that the baseball player made a bet from inside the facility triggering the geofence and kicking off the whole investigation.

Exactly. The software knows. Somebody's mom didn't call up the DCI and give them a 'hot tip'.

This was 100% initiated by the books and absolutely should have been.