To add on to this post. NS is a huge reason that CMC has been pulling in the highest recruiting classes in school history. Retaining him was key if we wanted to keep our talented young players.
Has the Rot Started to Set In?
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Definitely by 2012, but even with the win over OSU in ‘11 I wasn’t feeling great about things that season.
I'm certainly not calling for Campbell to be fired, but it is a bit mind boggling to me how the guy just does not seem to learn from his mistakes. I think the Iowa game is the perfect showcase of CMC and his coaching tenure here. We've been doing the same thing against Iowa since his first game against them and yet we still roll out every year against them, doing the same stuff that didn't work the year before.
I do think the O-line has improved some this year, but honestly, it would be tough to be worse than last year. Special Teams seems to be better as well, but we still have moments that make us look like a Jr. High team in our first ever football game. The Dropped snap on the first field goal and the kick-off that was barely and very luckily a touchback shows we have a lot of work to do. It does seem like we are going in the right direction.
I mean just look at the thread title and the poll question. “Has the rot STARTED TO creep in”, and then look at the absolute knives that come out for me even suggesting it’s STARTING to creep in.
Didn't he turn over a good portion of the coaching staff?
That seems to be learning from mistakes
We need more hooks, slants, and crosses (timing throws) across the middle, ones that get vertical yards. Asking a freshman QB to throw the ball 20+ yards laterally is a disaster waiting to happen. If he stares down a receiver (which he did) it becomes an easy jump for the defender. Timing throws help create rhythm, rhythm leads to completions, and those lead to confidence. Let's help the guy out.
We do need to run the ball but it was pretty obvious we don't have the talent or athleticism to run (consistently) outside the tackles. None of our guys are good enough to get the to the outside (on either a pull or a seal block) to contain the outside and our receivers don't appear to be overly good blockers. Basically you are asking our RBs to get to the outside and create everything by themselves. That's a tough task and one we consistently couldn't accomplish.
I thought Nate reverted back to a lot of the "bad Manning" **** that inhibited us the last several years. Rocco's young and made some mistakes but he didn't play that poorly. He missed on a couple of easy throws, threw a really bad pick (on a far worse play call and design), and was victimized by WR drops. Those WR screens and lateral plays did nothing but put us in predictable and or long yardage situations. That's a tough spot to put Rocco in as a freshman.
Doing the same things repeatedly and expecting different results is the definition of crazy. Or in this case Iowa State's offense.
He turned over a good portion of the coaching staff, and then made the same mistakes that fans were previously pinning on the now-fired coaching staff. We have now identified the true problem.
I’ve been saying this a lot this week but things are going to change with CFB becoming “professional” for lack of a better term and it’s going to be a very uncomfortable landscape going forward with the fans paying the salaries or sign on bonuses or however you want to phrase pay for play. It’s going to look like the NFL with a lot more movement of coaches.
$1,000/yr for a team that--when fully stacked and the stars align--will peak with no conference championship and a Fiesta Bowl? Just show me where to sign!
Right on, if ISU had a half decent FG kicker probably would have won 3-4 more games last year and a couple more the year before. Fortunately, it looks like we have solved that problem this year.
Put the bottle down, step away from your screen, stop posting for a while and stop comparing basketball to football. That’s comparing apples to oranges.
I agree, show me where to sign because a NY6 birth now means a playoff birth. I'll gladly take that.
Now, I'm definitely not going to the level that we're in the early stages of a decline.
BUT, I do think there were periods in both the McCarney and Rhoads eras where we thought this is THE guy for the job and hopefully he'll be here forever. 2000 and early 2001, as well as 2004 going into '05 I'd say the prospects of Mac being forced out would've sounded absolutely crazy. I think Rhoads in late 2011 (say after Okie St.) you'd say the same thing.
I still think Campbell is a really good coach and a good fit for ISU. Like it or not, his tendencies and style that leads him to do things that drive us crazy also helped him do things that are largely unprecedented at ISU. The gambling thing had my expectations low.
The one thing that could really shake my confidence is Heacock retiring soon. Dude is just a straight-up wizard. All this talk for years now about people replicating and figuring out his version of the 3-3-5 stack, and that cagey old bastard just stays a step ahead. And man, Cooper, Tyler O, Dom Orange, Tampa and Freyler can PLAY!
Right but that was because they wanted to move on. Schools will find reasons (especially back then) to get rid of coaches or keep them (Kirk Ferentz after multiple scandals).
They cleaned out the offensive staff and are running......the same offense. There is a stagnation in the air. Perhaps persistence with the same approach will yield different results this time?
demoncore1031
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I voted yes just because 1-6 vs Iowa is unacceptable. There is no excuse for it, Iowa is not that good of a team.
I'm not ready to jump on the "fire Campbell" bandwagon. But it is frustrating to see the same mistakes over and over. I thought the offensive play calling would be better this year and it's not. This offense does NOT work, yet here it is again this year. Watch other college football teams and most of them have creativity in their play calling. We have none. Not even a simple jet sweep, no QB runs, no play action, etc.
Not really sure what else to say, but something is different about Campbell now. I don't know what it is.
I'm not ready to jump on the "fire Campbell" bandwagon. But it is frustrating to see the same mistakes over and over. I thought the offensive play calling would be better this year and it's not. This offense does NOT work, yet here it is again this year. Watch other college football teams and most of them have creativity in their play calling. We have none. Not even a simple jet sweep, no QB runs, no play action, etc.
Not really sure what else to say, but something is different about Campbell now. I don't know what it is.
