ISU -3.5

[stewart092284]

Yeah honestly not trying to just play Matt Campbell apologist but OSU is a great example - Gundy has been there 2 decades and has a 158-76 overall record, and this season OSU is a dumpster fire. The “this is year 8 Campbell should have it all figured out” crowd needs to take note

Uh, he's also won a Big 12 divisional title, won the Big 12 and played for another Big 12 title and has gone to 17 bowls in * checks notes * 17 years.

Campbell is a 500 coach, essentially winning 1 of 2. Gundy wins 2 of 3. Yes, Oklahoma State has more advantages than Iowa State.

BUT

that comparison is not the thing you think it is, IMO. And they have been trying to get rid of him of and on for a couple years now.



No matter how ugly the loss to Ohio, if we had never missed a bowl game and we'd been to 7 in 7 years, I doubt anyone would care.

I think at least for me the frustration is in the trajectory of the program. We've gone 9-7-4 and I have a hard time seeing more than 4 right now.

 

[Clonehomer]

I would say Ferentz wields more power in that AD than Saban does in his tbh.

Almost as much as Joe Pa did

 

[farm85]

Quarterback Update: Gundy Says ‘There’s Nothing Changed’ in Quarterback Battle Entering Iowa State

'There's nothing changed, I guess is what I'm saying.'

pistolsfiringblog.com

 

[madguy30]

Uh, he's also won a Big 12 divisional title, won the Big 12 and played for another Big 12 title and has gone to 17 bowls in * checks notes * 17 years.

Campbell is a 500 coach, essentially winning 1 of 2. Gundy wins 2 of 3. Yes, Oklahoma State has more advantages than Iowa State.

BUT

that comparison is not the thing you think it is, IMO. And they have been trying to get rid of him of and on for a couple years now.



No matter how ugly the loss to Ohio, if we had never missed a bowl game and we'd been to 7 in 7 years, I doubt anyone would care.

I think at least for me the frustration is in the trajectory of the program. We've gone 9-7-4 and I have a hard time seeing more than 4 right now.

Wouldn't it be 6 of 7? 2016 was a true rebuild and a total mess to start with (not much really changed there over the years) but there were some promising situations including ISU playing to their strengths.

Problem is it's not real clear what the strengths are on offense to cater to.

 

[stewart092284]

Wouldn't it be 6 of 7? 2016 was a true rebuild and a total mess to start with (not much really changed there over the years) but there were some promising situations including ISU playing to their strengths.

Problem is it's not real clear what the strengths are on offense to cater to.

Sure, 6 of 7 would be good too.

Problem is, we've failed to know our strengths on offense for years now. And show no sign of figuring it out.

 

[CyAtlanta]

First pro line movement was on ISU. Opened at -2.5 on DK now out to -3.5. I think pros realize that Ohio is a really good G5 team, ISU was hindered with food poisoning/weird spot last week and will have the best unit on the field (its defense) and that OSU is lost on offense too.

Doubt we see this number get back under the 3. I project a 24-14 type win here for ISU.

I think most people don't understand how point spreads work. The betting public sets the line, not the "pros". The reason the point spread moved to -3.5 is because more bets have been placed on Iowa State than Oklahoma State. The vast majority of that money comes from us idiots, not the betting sharks.

 

[DarkStar]

Over/Under is 36.5. That is quite low. But I would still take the under.

Bet the under.

 

[cmhawks99]

First pro line movement was on ISU. Opened at -2.5 on DK now out to -3.5. I think pros realize that Ohio is a really good G5 team, ISU was hindered with food poisoning/weird spot last week and will have the best unit on the field (its defense) and that OSU is lost on offense too.

Doubt we see this number get back under the 3. I project a 24-14 type win here for ISU.

Very sound reasoning and I concur. I’m also not ready to write your season off. I’m not convinced the Big10 nor Big 12 (who is really, PAC 12 ??‍) are all that strong….

That defense will keep you in every game. It would be nice if you had a consistently solid return game, and some turnovers!

Texas is supposedly your best team and I told people on our board they’d struggle vs Wyoming and the definitely did. It’s @ Jack Trice..,

You HAVE to learn to close out close games!!

You have what I think are terrific Rbers and a solid, but young QB.

I think OU @ Norman is a tall task just because of stigma, but you don’t have any unwinnable games, with that D!

 

[cmhawks99]

BYU/TCU/Baylor/KU/Cincy will all have spreads that are under a TD unless something major changes.

BYU/TCU/Baylor/KU/Cincy will all have spreads that are under a TD unless something major changes.

Ridiculous, Texas should be number one until proven otherwise but their number is to high.

TT, TCU, Baylor and Okie St are way to high.

BYU, Kansas, ISU & Cinncy are way to low.

I think SMU will beat TCU, West Va will beat TT in Morgantown and that BYU/KU game shocks me…s much so I’m not making a prediction because as another above said, weird lines are scary.

I’ve watched BYU in all 3 games, they are good and KU still has a suspect D, they gave up 24 to an awful, AWFUL Nevada!

 

[cmhawks99]

I would say Ferentz wields more power in that AD than Saban does in his tbh.

In the football crazy south, in an obsessive football state. With an over the top fanbase, the best coach in the history of college football wields maniacal power. Your hatred of all things Iowa clouds your judgement

 

[nrg4isu]

In the football crazy south, in an obsessive football state. With an over the top fanbase, the best coach in the history of college football wields maniacal power. Your hatred of all things Iowa clouds your judgement

In an AD with a lame duck director, being the longest tenured HC, nepotism, Bamas recent struggles, their disadvantage with NIL. No, I don't think this is an exaggeration. They both have a lot of power, but Ferentz probably gets the edge.

 

[cmhawks99]

Uh, he's also won a Big 12 divisional title, won the Big 12 and played for another Big 12 title and has gone to 17 bowls in * checks notes * 17 years.

Campbell is a 500 coach, essentially winning 1 of 2. Gundy wins 2 of 3. Yes, Oklahoma State has more advantages than Iowa State.

BUT

that comparison is not the thing you think it is, IMO. And they have been trying to get rid of him of and on for a couple years now.



No matter how ugly the loss to Ohio, if we had never missed a bowl game and we'd been to 7 in 7 years, I doubt anyone would care.

I think at least for me the frustration is in the trajectory of the program. We've gone 9-7-4 and I have a hard time seeing more than 4 right now.

Everyone looks at other teams and says if “this” was us, I wouldn’t care. Yet as you said, their fans, much like Iowas fanbase, has wanted their coach ousted many times over the years…

That’s more of an indictment of the fickleness and short sightedness of said fans…

You guys have had a train wreck of coaches, and now the one that has taken you to your first ever five-year winning streak you’d like him gone…

As for Okie, before Miles, they’d had about 12 straight losing seasons..

And as for Iowa, we’ve got fans that apparently think we will automatically hirer a better coach….LOL yeah that historically happens!!!

There are hundreds, even thousands of examples of turning away a solid coach, and the next one being worse and then the next one and then the next one and then maybe finally you get back to square zero!!

Be careful what you wish for. I don’t have to have KF as a coach. But I am not willing to gamble and go backwards.

Your coach has raised your talent level on defense, immensely. Plus he has proven he will stay.

He also recruits Rbers & TEs very well. Purdy was an awesome QB, I think your WR depth has fallen off a tick, but hell what does an Iowa fan know about WRs… doh

 

[cmhawks99]

In an AD with a lame duck director, being the longest tenured HC, nepotism, Bamas recent struggles, their disadvantage with NIL. No, I don't think this is an exaggeration. They both have a lot of power, but Ferentz probably gets the edge.

Ok…then good for us, I guess. ADs “eff” up hires all the time. What’s the odds Iowa hires a better coach, the 1st time out?

Tough question eh? Your fandom won’t allow you to say that there is a very good chance they’ll hire a better coach. There isn’t anyway and we know from a national perspective,

Which means you basically have to agree that it’s a good thing the AD hasn’t fired him.

 

[1100011CS]

I think most people don't understand how point spreads work. The betting public sets the line, not the "pros". The reason the point spread moved to -3.5 is because more bets have been placed on Iowa State than Oklahoma State. The vast majority of that money comes from us idiots, not the betting sharks.

But how do they come up with the opening line without making some kind of prediction themselves?

I'll answer that myself. They do make a prediction based on some model. So, Vegas sets the line with whatever model they use then the line moves based on us idiots not believing their model.

 

[nrg4isu]

Ok…then good for us, I guess. ADs “eff” up hires all the time. What’s the odds Iowa hires a better coach, the 1st time out?

Tough question eh? Your fandom won’t allow you to say that there is a very good chance they’ll hire a better coach. There isn’t anyway and we know from a national pets.

Which means you basically have to agree that it’s a good thing the AD hasn’t fired him.

My comment had nothing to do with Iowas next coach - it was specifically challenging your assertion that Ferentz has less power than Saban in the AD.

I don't give a **** about Iowas coaching problems. Why are you even posting in a thread about the line vs. Oklahoma state?

 

[cmhawks99]

My comment had nothing to do with Iowas next coach - it was specifically challenging your assertion that Ferentz has less power than Saban in the AD.

I don't give a **** about Iowas coaching problems. Why are you even posting in a thread about the line vs. Oklahoma state?

Well, I think based on my other content, it should be self evident that I was talking about Iowa States season, the line, the outcome and the prognosis of Iowa State. Still winning a lot of games….

You don’t know me… Because if you did youd know that I have a penchant for these kind of things, especially on my own board…

You meant it, as did the other gentleman that “our” coach has more power than the A.D. as a bad thing…

And although I don’t agree Ferentz has more power than the greatest coach in the history of college football (extremely illogical in my mind) but if that was the case and that’s what has kept us from making a piss poor hirer I’m all for it!

When framed in that perspective, it has a much different view doesn’t it? One that clearly irritated you…

 

[Clark]

The half point would scare me if I were taking ISU here. Pretty good chance this is a three point game either way (maybe even 3-0 with the way these offenses have been playing)

 

[Gunnerclone]

Well, I think based on my other content, it should be self evident that I was talking about Iowa States season, the line, the outcome and the prognosis of Iowa State. Still winning a lot of games….

You don’t know me… Because if you did youd know that I have a penchant for these kind of things, especially on my own board…

You meant it, as did the other gentleman that “our” coach has more power than the A.D. as a bad thing…

And although I don’t agree Ferentz has more power than the greatest coach in the history of college football (extremely illogical in my mind) but if that was the case and that’s what has kept us from making a piss poor hirer I’m all for it!

When framed in that perspective, it has a much different view doesn’t it? One that clearly irritated you…

Ferentz has a pile of scandals and racism and who got pushed out of Iowa? It wasn’t Ferentz, it was the AD.

 

[Cyinthenorth]

Who do you trust more to fix his offense? Cowboy Mike or CMC?
One of those guys is going to change something and have success.

Rocco had a good YPA last week. Maybe it's time to see where that can go.

Cowboy Mike. He is a wily old dude, and it showed last year in Stillwater. Matt is still in 'thinks his **** don't stink" mode.

 

[Al_4_State]

Isn’t Campbell like 0fer in the last 10-15 games where ISU was 3.5 or less favorite?