When do you think you will buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?
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This is just completely false.
Fast Facts on Transportation Greenhouse Gas Emissions | US EPA
Basic facts and data on greenhouse gas emissions from transportation.
Residential homes account for 6% of total greenhouse gas emissions. Cars account for 29%.
Tesla Model Y lease for around $500 per month w/$0 down and short delivery time…very tempting.
In the last 24 hours I've been hearing that we'll probably see the $7,500 rebate lower in 2024. Not sure how much to believe that.
I recently spent 3 weeks in the Tahoe area, 2 weeks hiking tahoe rim trail trail away from civilization but a few days before and after in Truckee and other nearby towns.
Normal typical gas price $7.10. (back here in LA it’s about $5.60)
Electric equivalent is about $1.30.
I know Rivian is a luxury brand/price to an extent, but the combo of wealthy people, crazy high gas price, and outdoor off-road lifestyle makes a Rivian one of the most common vehicles for residents there. You see them everywhere, it’s like seeing a Chevy or Honda other places.
In a few areas the question is flipped, how can anybody NOT buy an EV with that massive fuel cost difference? I mean it’s a huge luxury choice to keep buying gas at 7x the fuel cost. Even with my typical $5 gas I’m thinking I can’t afford for my next car to be pure ICE only, I have a plug in hybrid and the plug in aspect has more than paid for itself In 2.5 years vs if I had gotten the standard ICE model.
Normal typical gas price $7.10. (back here in LA it’s about $5.60)
Electric equivalent is about $1.30.
I know Rivian is a luxury brand/price to an extent, but the combo of wealthy people, crazy high gas price, and outdoor off-road lifestyle makes a Rivian one of the most common vehicles for residents there. You see them everywhere, it’s like seeing a Chevy or Honda other places.
In a few areas the question is flipped, how can anybody NOT buy an EV with that massive fuel cost difference? I mean it’s a huge luxury choice to keep buying gas at 7x the fuel cost. Even with my typical $5 gas I’m thinking I can’t afford for my next car to be pure ICE only, I have a plug in hybrid and the plug in aspect has more than paid for itself In 2.5 years vs if I had gotten the standard ICE model.
Nothing you said was wrong, but it does fall into the category of "why should we do this to solve the problem when we really should focus on that" which ultimately leads to doing nothing at all. Doubly so when doing this means you to make a change, but doing that pushes the changes off onto others. Not that I'm defending McMansions - they're gross, excessive, visually unappealing and horrible for the environment and built environment.
First, it's far easier to turn over our vehicle stock than repurpose or replace existing buildings. The average age of a vehicle on the road in the US is 12.5 years. The average age of a single family home is 46 years old. We could turn over the majority of vehicles in a decade or so, but buildings would take far, far longer to repurpose or replace. And that's not even factoring in a lot of areas of the country are facing a not insignificant housing shortage.
Second, the type of home you're describing is a far cry from the average home being built. Less that 3% of new homes are over 5,000 square feet. The problem is the average new home is ~2,500 square feet - up from around 1,600 square feet 40 years ago. If we want to tackle the problem, chipping away at the excesses on the edges isn't going to make much of a difference if almost every house is oversized for the number of people living there.
Third, transportation accounts for about double the greenhouse gas emissions of residential emissions, and is far and away the #1 source.
And finally, while it is true electric vehicles need electricity that comes from somewhere, electric cars produce about half the emissions of a traditional car, and electric trucks produce about 40% of that from traditional trucks. We could reduce residential emissions to zero, but having a fully electric transportation network would still have more of an impact in greenhouse gas emissions. Not that either of those are reasonable (or even possible) in the short or even intermediate term.
So, basically, changing the type of vehicles we drive is about the quickest, cheapest and easiest way to have the most impact on reducing greenhouse gas emissions while only requiring modest changes in the habits of most people.
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I must have missed the federal legislation that was passed that is going to require all of us to purchase an EV vehicle for our next vehicle purchase. Can anyone give me more details about the new law? Good thing I got under the wire last month when I purchased my hybrid grand highlander.
Someone's blowing smoke at you, I think. CA, WA, IL and NY all passed laws banning the sale of new ICE vehicles, but not until 2035.
Sarcasm is hard for some people, I guess. Those would be state laws not federal, and they do not go into force for another 12 years.
So why are we complaining about a law that does not affect most of us, in a state that we do not live in, and will not go into effect for another 12 years?
This summer I purchased a pedal assist e-bike (Aventon Soltera) with the intent of using it 2 or 3 days a week for commuting to work. I live in the Chicago area, and work is in the suburbs meaning public transit isn't quite feasible for commuting. Additionally, my fiancee works remote three days a week, so getting a second car doesn't make a lot of sense when we don't have anywhere to reliably park it. I have found the e-bike to be a great option for my transportation needs.
For my 6.5 mile commute, it takes me 25 minutes to drive into work and 30-40 minutes to drive home depending on traffic. When I do this on my bike, my commute is a consistent 30-35 minutes each way, and I have found a route that is about 1/3 residential/neighborhood streets, 1/3 marked bike lanes, and 1/3 separated bike path.
I managed to go from filling my gas tank roughly once per week, to filling every 3-4 weeks. With gas prices being around $4 in my area for much of the summer, I have saved about 30% of the bike's cost with gas alone, and I've only had it for four months.
For my 6.5 mile commute, it takes me 25 minutes to drive into work and 30-40 minutes to drive home depending on traffic. When I do this on my bike, my commute is a consistent 30-35 minutes each way, and I have found a route that is about 1/3 residential/neighborhood streets, 1/3 marked bike lanes, and 1/3 separated bike path.
I managed to go from filling my gas tank roughly once per week, to filling every 3-4 weeks. With gas prices being around $4 in my area for much of the summer, I have saved about 30% of the bike's cost with gas alone, and I've only had it for four months.
Meandering a bit from the original topic, but still about electric transportation - Does anyone here have and use an electric bike? My boss came in today really excited about how much he's already used his since he got it last week. I live and work in Ames, so there would be a fair amount of opportunity to use it for commuting and getting around town. It's a big enough purchase that I want to pretty certain that I'd get good use out of it before spending on a reliable one.
Good timing for my question, lol. Do you use it much for anything other than your commute like small grocery trips or other errands?
There's a guy that burns ass down our street on an e-scooter.
That guy is obviously going faster than the speed limit. Not sure how fast they go, but this cat is moving
I lived in Wicker Park and commuted to from there Niles for about 7 years. I could just barely get there with blue line and a Pace bus or major walk if i missed the pace bus at the Niles border. Even though it was tough in the winter I found I preferred the pieced together walk/train/bus/walk 50 minutes to the drive my own car 40 minutes because I could mostly sit there and read.
We went from two cars, to one car, to renting out our condo's parking spot and having no cars over the years. The weather sucked for not having a car but there were so many options between car sharing, CTA, commuter trains, cycling etc... When I moved to Chicago in 2002 there were no bike lanes anywhere, when I left in 2015 practically every major street had bike lanes, so much safer.
I took my bicycle with a basket on back to get groceries all the time in Chicago the last few years I lived there unless the streets were terribly icy. I feel like I'd be killed for sure doing that in LA though (or any city that hasn't put forth the effort to be extremely bike friendly).
There's a bit of unknown there. Some of these batteries may end up lasting pretty long with minimal degradation. Some of them are supposedly good for the mileage of a typical car's lifespan already and we're really early in the revolution still.
It also ignores all the stuff that tanks out on high mileage ICE vehicles that EVs don't need. I don't blame people for thinking it sounds scary, but really nobody knows. Buying any used car without some kind of extended warrantee is always going to be a roll of the dice the same way it is now.
Prius has been a common model forever now and if the battery was some massive liability it'd be a commonly known thing, I'm sure taxi companies have experience with high mileage Prius since it's basically the greatest taxi ever designed. Hybrids like that also have the "worst of both worlds" potential as they age yet I haven't heard a ton of nightmares of used Prius.
