When do you think you will buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?

[dmclone]

We're just not there with the price difference in gas here in the midwest, I paid under $3/gallon this weekend and if I go into the office I have an 8 mile round trip commute so it's costing me maybe $8-$10 a week in gas right now to drive my truck. Factor in that it's paid off getting a BEV doesn't pencil out financially for me at all. Now fast forward to when I do decide it's time for a new vehicle that math might work ok to get a BEV but if I want another truck I really only have one option where it's easy to compare powertrains and it's a $10k difference between a hybrid and a BEV version still. That $7500 tax credit helps but still it's more money. It's getting closer but I just can't bring myself to spend $75k on a new vehicle.

I 100% agree. If you have a reliable vehicle and not planning on buying a new vehicle, buying a new EV(or any new vehicle) makes little financial sense for just fuel savings. I may save $1,500 a year in fuel costs and another $200 in service costs but that hardly offsets the $3k charger(1 time cost), higher insurance costs, higher registration fees, etc.

My wife bought the Tesla because she was going to buy a new $50k vehicle and for her use case, the Tesla Model Y was the best car for her in that price range. She loved the driving experience. the power, and the tech. Fuel savings was pretty low on her list of advantages. The $7,500 discount didn't hurt. She was then comparing it to cars that cost $45k. Some people paid $60k+ for the same car and we wouldn't have paid that much.

 

[HFCS]

We're just not there with the price difference in gas here in the midwest, I paid under $3/gallon this weekend and if I go into the office I have an 8 mile round trip commute so it's costing me maybe $8-$10 a week in gas right now to drive my truck. Factor in that it's paid off getting a BEV doesn't pencil out financially for me at all. Now fast forward to when I do decide it's time for a new vehicle that math might work ok to get a BEV but if I want another truck I really only have one option where it's easy to compare powertrains and it's a $10k difference between a hybrid and a BEV version still. That $7500 tax credit helps but still it's more money. It's getting closer but I just can't bring myself to spend $75k on a new vehicle.

Assuming you’re in Iowa…it’ll be the last place in the USA to adopt EVs with the ethanol subsidies. I totally get people not wanting to pay extra…not wanting to pay I extra is why I’ll probably never buy a gas only car again.

The convenience factor is really where I feel the ignorant comments are coming from. Most are just saying the truth from their specific perspective on price.

If someone has a garage or private outlet near their parking, EVs are radically more convenient. Exception would be people who average 300 miles driving every day and I think that’s less than one in 5000 people. People just won’t realize it until they try it, right now they’re still arguing blockbuster vhs is more convenient than Netflix or video in demand.

 

[HFCS]

I 100% agree. If you have a reliable vehicle and not planning on buying a new vehicle, buying a new EV(or any new vehicle) makes little financial sense for just fuel savings. I may save $1,500 a year in fuel costs and another $200 in service costs but that hardly offsets the $3k charger(1 time cost), higher insurance costs, higher registration fees, etc.

My wife bought the Tesla because she was going to buy a new $50k vehicle and for her use case, the Tesla Model Y was the best car for her in that price range. She loved the driving experience. the power, and the tech. Fuel savings was pretty low on her list of advantages. The $7,500 discount didn't hurt. She was then comparing it to cars that cost $45k. Some people paid $60k+ for the same car and we wouldn't have paid that much.

Comparing like to like is also key, which you did and many don’t.

 

[cycloneG]

Toyota aims for solid-state battery EVs with up to 750 miles of range by 2027

Toyota has announced that it is hoping to have solid-state batteries ready for commercial sale as early as 2027, potentially marking a huge breakthrough in electric vehicle technology.

www.driving.co.uk

Another added benefit of solid-state batteries is they are less susceptible to fire than current lithium-ion liquid batteries.

And rapid charging times are also reduced, with a 10-80 percent replenishment of the battery’s state of charge (SoC) coming down to around 10 minutes, instead of 20-30 minutes as current technology allows.

 

[dmclone]

If someone has a garage or private outlet near their parking, EVs are radically more convenient. Exception would be people who average 300 miles driving every day and I think that’s less than one in 5000 people. People just won’t realize it until they try it, right now they’re still arguing blockbuster vhs is more convenient than Netflix or video in demand.

This is key. I'm missing some stats because I didn't have the software running until we had the MY for about a month. But here are the last few months. 90% of the time, we're charging at home. The only time we charged outside the house was when we went to KC for the weekend.

Walnut St, was free hotel charging, Ikea was level 1 terrible free charging, and finally the 1kw charge at OP was my my mistake.

SOC is "State of Charge". As you can see, we normally set the limit to 80% when we are charging at home but will up it to 90% if we have a long trip planned.



I received a deal on the charger at Bethany. The true cost should have been around $16, which was 2 separate charges. Liberty was also 2 charges but was priced correctly.


Missouri/Kansas is escalated because we went multiple times between KS/MO.

 

[mramseyISU]

Assuming you’re in Iowa…it’ll be the last place in the USA to adopt EVs with the ethanol subsidies. I totally get people not wanting to pay extra…not wanting to pay I extra is why I’ll probably never buy a gas only car again.

The convenience factor is really where I feel the ignorant comments are coming from. Most are just saying the truth from their specific perspective on price.

If someone has a garage or private outlet near their parking, EVs are radically more convenient. Exception would be people who average 300 miles driving every day and I think that’s less than one in 5000 people. People just won’t realize it until they try it, right now they’re still arguing blockbuster vhs is more convenient than Netflix or video in demand.

Yeah I'm in Iowa but I think that argument still stands. For most people, the only thing that matters is that monthly payment. Should it? Probably not, they should factor in fuel and maintenance costs too but most people are morons. Once they hit price parity with their gas counterparts then things get interesting but we're not quite there yet but I think with battery costs coming down and the demand from the early adopters calming down prices will stabilize really close to their ICE equivalent. The battery costs need to get under $100/kWh for that to happen, it's bounced under that a couple times but hasn't been steady down that low yet. We also still have a long ways to go with charging infrastructure where I live. Luckily I have a garage and I would be game for installing a charger in my garage but for those people who don't they're going to use a whole bunch of energy to get their cars preconditioned and ready to go for a trip. If those people don't have easy access for a charger at work or go shopping at HyVee regularly then charging would be an issue.

Full disclosure here my day job is working on electrical power distribution for a BEV program. I like the technology, it's great in a lot of places for a lot of people but it's not universally great yet. Those of us in flyover country still have a lot of challenges before adoption is a no brainer for everyone.

 

[HFCS]

This is key. I'm missing some stats because I didn't have the software running until we had the MY for about a month. But here are the last few months. 90% of the time, we're charging at home. The only time we charged outside the house was when we went to KC for the weekend.

Walnut St, was free hotel charging, Ikea was level 1 terrible free charging, and finally the 1kw charge at OP was my my mistake.

SOC is "State of Charge". As you can see, we normally set the limit to 80% when we are charging at home but will up it to 90% if we have a long trip planned.

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That’s cool to look at. I live in a walkable neighborhood and think mine would be even more tilted towards home, I get by on my tiny phev range with no gas 9 days out of 10. Also going up and down west coast a lot charging stations literally everywhere now on highways which makes since because that’s the only place I’d need one.

 

[HFCS]

Yeah I'm in Iowa but I think that argument still stands. For most people, the only thing that matters is that monthly payment. Should it? Probably not, they should factor in fuel and maintenance costs too but most people are morons. Once they hit price parity with their gas counterparts then things get interesting but we're not quite there yet but I think with battery costs coming down and the demand from the early adopters calming down prices will stabilize really close to their ICE equivalent. The battery costs need to get under $100/kWh for that to happen, it's bounced under that a couple times but hasn't been steady down that low yet. We also still have a long ways to go with charging infrastructure where I live. Luckily I have a garage and I would be game for installing a charger in my garage but for those people who don't they're going to use a whole bunch of energy to get their cars preconditioned and ready to go for a trip. If those people don't have easy access for a charger at work or go shopping at HyVee regularly then charging would be an issue.

Full disclosure here my day job is working on electrical power distribution for a BEV program. I like the technology, it's great in a lot of places for a lot of people but it's not universally great yet. Those of us in flyover country still have a lot of challenges before adoption is a no brainer for everyone.

On that Tahoe trip I had a $70 for a ten gallon fill up on my phev vs my home price that would’ve been $55 vs yours that would’ve been $30. The ev # at home would be $13.

$13 vs $70 converts absolutely everybody but classic car hobbyists, even the fearful and haters.

 

[mramseyISU]

On that Tahoe trip I had a $70 for a ten gallon fill up on my phev vs my home price that would’ve been $55 vs yours that would’ve been $30. The ev # at home would be $13.

$13 vs $70 converts absolutely everybody but classic car hobbyists, even the fearful and haters.

That $13 vs $70 gap isn't the reality for most of middle America though. If you're a homeowner here for 10 gallons worth of a fill gap is $20. That no brainer for people on the west coast isn't the reality for us here no matter how much you want it to be.

 

[dmclone]

That $13 vs $70 gap isn't the reality for most of middle America though. If you're a homeowner here for 10 gallons worth of a fill gap is $20. That no brainer for people on the west coast isn't the reality for us here no matter how much you want it to be.

Where are you getting gas for $2/gallon?

 

[RedlineSi]

Toyota aims for solid-state battery EVs with up to 750 miles of range by 2027

Toyota has announced that it is hoping to have solid-state batteries ready for commercial sale as early as 2027, potentially marking a huge breakthrough in electric vehicle technology.

www.driving.co.uk

Toyota is full of ****.

 

[mramseyISU]

Where are you getting gas for $2/gallon?

I'm not.

$30 - $13 is more or less $20 last time I checked.

 

[HFCS]

That $13 vs $70 gap isn't the reality for most of middle America though. If you're a homeowner here for 10 gallons worth of a fill gap is $20. That no brainer for people on the west coast isn't the reality for us here no matter how much you want it to be.

I was never saying it is. Just giving a more complete picture for the 50% answering the poll as “never”.

 

[RedlineSi]

So just an FYI, and no, I'm not factoring in the payment here, but if I didn't get the R1S, I'd probably grab another brand new X5 or a Range Rover Sport, so they'd be around the same price as my R1S.

In our new house, with the program I'll be getting from Xcel, I can charge from 12-6am for $.028/kwh.

The R1S has around 135kwh battery pack, and lets just say I'm filling 100kwh during that time, you can do the simple math to see how cheap that is for a "full" tank.

On my previous X5 35d, it would now cost about $80-$95 depending on where I was, to fill the tank. A pretty big difference vs $2.80.

 

[dmclone]

So just an FYI, and no, I'm not factoring in the payment here, but if I didn't get the R1S, I'd probably grab another brand new X5 or a Range Rover Sport, so they'd be around the same price as my R1S.

In our new house, with the program I'll be getting from Xcel, I can charge from 12-6am for $.028/kwh.

The R1S has around 135kwh battery pack, and lets just say I'm filling 100kwh during that time, you can do the simple math to see how cheap that is for a "full" tank.

On my previous X5 35d, it would now cost about $80-$95 depending on where I was, to fill the tank. A pretty big difference vs $2.80.

This is huge. I wish MidAmerican did timed time-of-day charging.

 

[RedlineSi]

This is huge. I wish MidAmerican did timed time-of-day charging.

It seems like they....sort of do?

Time of Use Rates

Time of use rates can help you save money when you use electricity during times of the day when demand and cost are the lowest.

www.midamericanenergy.com

 

[dmclone]

It seems like they....sort of do?

Time of Use Rates

Time of use rates can help you save money when you use electricity during times of the day when demand and cost are the lowest.

www.midamericanenergy.com

From people that have tried it in Iowa, it doesn't make a big difference in rates. It's something you have to sign up for. When you choose the time of day charging option, your rates pretty much double during 1-6pm in the summer but get cut in half during off peak.....

 

[RedlineSi]

From people that have tried it in Iowa, it doesn't make a big difference in rates.

That's a shame, but not surprising from an entity in Iowa

 

[mramseyISU]

So just an FYI, and no, I'm not factoring in the payment here, but if I didn't get the R1S, I'd probably grab another brand new X5 or a Range Rover Sport, so they'd be around the same price as my R1S.

In our new house, with the program I'll be getting from Xcel, I can charge from 12-6am for $.028/kwh.

The R1S has around 135kwh battery pack, and lets just say I'm filling 100kwh during that time, you can do the simple math to see how cheap that is for a "full" tank.

On my previous X5 35d, it would now cost about $80-$95 depending on where I was, to fill the tank. A pretty big difference vs $2.80.

I really like those Rivians. I'd love to have a truck but the price has got to come down on them. When those 300ish mile range Rivians and Lightnings get down in the $65k range I bet they'll be flying off of dealers lots.

Cheapest out the door price I've seen on a Lightning after the $7500 rebate though is $73k around here.

 

[BoxsterCy]

My last 3 vehicles have all went 250,000+ with no major work on them.

Yeah but at that point they are still only a few years old in your case because you drive a million miles a year and it isn't short hop city drives.