When do you think you will buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?

[BCClone]

Interesting study came out recently about batter longevity in colder climates

Colder climate is better for battery health, study on Tesla Model Y shows

There are ways to keep your battery safe in hot weather conditions, though.

www.arenaev.com

My thoughts were the corrosion from the salt. I didn’t read the article, more responding to your statement.

 

[BCClone]

I think you're starting to see that. Tesla prices keep coming down and Ford just cut pricing on the Lightning. It's not enough but it's getting better.

When will it hit the point that the subsidies are stopped? Or what is a guess for that price difference?

 

[mramseyISU]

Interesting study came out recently about batter longevity in colder climates

Colder climate is better for battery health, study on Tesla Model Y shows

There are ways to keep your battery safe in hot weather conditions, though.

www.arenaev.com

Granted this isn't the same for every cell but I know that the Samsung cells are good down to -40 before they start having issues with aging. I would assume that LG cells are similar.

 

[mramseyISU]

When will it hit the point that the subsidies are stopped? Or what is a guess for that price difference?

The number I keep hearing is batteries need to get under $100/kWh to hit price parity with ICE engines. We're getting close to that and it's bounced below that a couple times this year but it needs to be there consistently.

 

[Cyclonepride]

A story highlighting the immense challenges of rapid change to EV's

Mega-Jolt: The Costs and Logistics of Plugging In EVs Are About to Become Supercharged

Update, April 2024: Biden’s $7.5B EV Charger Push Yields 7 Stations Washington Post By John Murawski, RealClearInvestigationsOctober 24, 2023 U.S. Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm gave A

www.realclearinvestigations.com

 

[herbicide]

A story highlighting the immense challenges of rapid change to EV's

Mega-Jolt: The Costs and Logistics of Plugging In EVs Are About to Become Supercharged

Update, April 2024: Biden’s $7.5B EV Charger Push Yields 7 Stations Washington Post By John Murawski, RealClearInvestigationsOctober 24, 2023 U.S. Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm gave A

www.realclearinvestigations.com

Brings an interesting point about the 'haves vs have nots.' Even if/when BEV become cost equal or cheaper to ICE vehicles, what about those who don't have a garage or easy access to a higher output electrical output? Read: those in apartments or other multi family housing; not everyone has a 2 or 3 car garage...

Nothing unsurmountable by anymeans, but there are distinct challenges there.

 

[dmclone]

Brings an interesting point about the 'haves vs have nots.' Even if/when BEV become cost equal or cheaper to ICE vehicles, what about those who don't have a garage or easy access to a higher output electrical output? Read: those in apartments or other multi family housing; not everyone has a 2 or 3 car garage...

Nothing unsurmountable by anymeans, but there are distinct challenges there.

For sure, this will be an issue for a lot of people. Over time, I'm sure apartments and other places will need to address this issue.

 

[HFCS]

This Chevy Blazer EV looks pretty nice. I believe it's what Honda is going to use for their first SUV EV.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/chevrolet-blazer-ev-2024-suv-of-the-year/

One thing I do hate is that like Tesla, no Carplay/Android Auto. I don't trust GM's infotainment. On the other hand, I have heard a lot of great things about SuperCruise

I know for my wife connecting to her music apps is by far the #1 feature of any car. I’m surprised Apple isn’t dipping its ties in auto making like Amazon.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Brings an interesting point about the 'haves vs have nots.' Even if/when BEV become cost equal or cheaper to ICE vehicles, what about those who don't have a garage or easy access to a higher output electrical output? Read: those in apartments or other multi family housing; not everyone has a 2 or 3 car garage...

Nothing unsurmountable by anymeans, but there are distinct challenges there.

I think the highest barrier is the artificially created timeline. Need to build up the grid and infrastructure in a reasonable fashion and let it happen mostly organically (maybe a 50 year target rather than 15 or 20). As the article states, they never had to ban horses to get people to switch over to cars.

 

[mramseyISU]

I think the highest barrier is the artificially created timeline. Need to build up the grid and infrastructure in a reasonable fashion and let it happen mostly organically (maybe a 50 year target rather than 15 or 20). As the article states, they never had to ban horses to get people to switch over to cars.

We've been needing to make some massive changes to the electrical grid in our country. I'm hopeful that this is the kick in the ass we need to finally get that done.

 

[HFCS]

Brings an interesting point about the 'haves vs have nots.' Even if/when BEV become cost equal or cheaper to ICE vehicles, what about those who don't have a garage or easy access to a higher output electrical output? Read: those in apartments or other multi family housing; not everyone has a 2 or 3 car garage...

Nothing unsurmountable by anymeans, but there are distinct challenges there.

Those are the only people (along with mythical guy who drives 400 miles every day) where an EV actually will be less convenient for a while. Many people with their own garage are dead wrong about convenience and we’ll soon laugh at their anxiety.

A lot of houses in socal don’t have a decent garage and I’ll see ports on side of a house or even by the street (want to know if they have a key or code). One guy in my neighborhood just runs an extension cord across front lawn.

This was 9 years ago but an early adopter in my condo in Chicago got our board to approve him installing his own metered port in the parking garage. I would guess most cities are looking at their building code for new apartment buildings especially.

I see a few designated apartment spaces around LA with chargers but most where there clearly are not. Apartment dwellers with only street parking it really depends where they live, a few areas do have some street parking chargers already that aren’t heavily used but it’ll never be where 100% of street parking has chargers in a dense city.

 

[dmclone]

I know for my wife connecting to her music apps is by far the #1 feature of any car. I’m surprised Apple isn’t dipping its ties in auto making like Amazon.

I've heard that Apple is getting in the EV world

 

[Cyclonepride]

We've been needing to make some massive changes to the electrical grid in our country. I'm hopeful that this is the kick in the ass we need to finally get that done.

I agree. I think the backbone of it should be nuclear. Or better stated, has to be in order to achieve the type of grid that can handle this load.

 

[mramseyISU]

Those are the only people (along with mythical guy who drives 400 miles every day) where an EV actually will be less convenient for a while. Many people with their own garage are dead wrong about convenience and we’ll soon laugh at their anxiety.

A lot of houses in socal don’t have a decent garage and I’ll see ports on side of a house or even by the street (want to know if they have a key or code). One guy in my neighborhood just runs an extension cord across front lawn.

This was 9 years ago but an early adopter in my condo in Chicago got our board to approve him installing his own metered port in the parking garage. I would guess most cities are looking at their building code for new apartment buildings especially.

I see a few designated apartment spaces around LA with chargers but most where there clearly are not. Apartment dwellers with only street parking it really depends where they live, a few areas do have some street parking chargers already that aren’t heavily used but it’ll never be where 100% of street parking has chargers in a dense city.

I'm really surprised I haven't seen them pop up more at big gas stations yet. I mean I sort of get it, you probably want to find someplace with DC fast charging in the 50kW range and that is pretty expensive to get up and running. I would think though if you had a big Kum&Go or KwikStar you'd want people milling around your store for 10-15 minute while they got a charge going.

 

[mramseyISU]

I agree. I think the backbone of it should be nuclear. Or better stated, has to be in order to achieve the type of grid that can handle this load.

The installed cost per kWh is way too high and rising.

 

[exCyDing]

Brings an interesting point about the 'haves vs have nots.' Even if/when BEV become cost equal or cheaper to ICE vehicles, what about those who don't have a garage or easy access to a higher output electrical output? Read: those in apartments or other multi family housing; not everyone has a 2 or 3 car garage...

Nothing unsurmountable by anymeans, but there are distinct challenges there.

It's just something that has to be done, and landlords will respond when market demand is there.

When we were apartment hunting in LA two years ago,every apartment building we toured had at least a few spots with chargers installed. These were all nice places, but hardly top of the line/luxury apartments with over the top amenities. Our current building has maybe 10 or 15 spots with chargers for 70 units.

 

[HFCS]

I agree. I think the backbone of it should be nuclear. Or better stated, has to be in order to achieve the type of grid that can handle this load.

Blackouts are very rare in LA now compared to when I moved here 9 years ago and they were common in summer. Not saying it’s perfect but the grid reliability has gotten much better as EVs and wind/solar have exploded (and record heat most years). There are a lot of disinformation sources pumping out nonsense on it.

 

[HFCS]

I'm really surprised I haven't seen them pop up more at big gas stations yet. I mean I sort of get it, you probably want to find someplace with DC fast charging in the 50kW range and that is pretty expensive to get up and running. I would think though if you had a big Kum&Go or KwikStar you'd want people milling around your store for 10-15 minute while they got a charge going.

It only started in CA the past two years but ev boom on the road was more like 6 years ago. It’s more the highway gas stations than urban ones. Most highway gas stations on road trips have it now.

 

[dmclone]

I'm really surprised I haven't seen them pop up more at big gas stations yet. I mean I sort of get it, you probably want to find someplace with DC fast charging in the 50kW range and that is pretty expensive to get up and running. I would think though if you had a big Kum&Go or KwikStar you'd want people milling around your store for 10-15 minute while they got a charge going.

You're going to see more and more of them at these places. I know someone at the Iowa DOT that has had a lot of conversations with them and they are all interested. Mostly when they build new setups. I crap on Hy-Vee a lot but they were very early adopters. There are some at the Kum and Go across from Smokie D's in Des Moines that are pretty busy. If restaurants were smart, they would add a few. I know that some EV owners only go to hotels that have charging so you're seeing more and more hotels have them. If there are enough users, they will build them.

 

[Cyclonepride]

The installed cost per kWh is way too high and rising. View attachment 118469

It is artificially high and the renewable options cannot handle the load, period. Switching that quickly to an all electric fleet on renewables is science fiction. The majority of people would have to switch to public transit as the grid could not support it.