Plus, that's a different question. To me the question is whether a 13-0 P5 champion has earned the right to be in the playoff. I believe they have, so whether FSU wins or loses their next game is irrelevant.
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A one loss OSU team with Cardale Jones moving up from the third string was taken over TCU
This playoff and college football in general is a ******* money grab and has lost the soul of the sport.
No because FSU is a big brand outside the Big 10. I go back and forth whether a smaller brand in the Big 10 would get that benefit of the doubt, but a team outside the Big 10 or SEC won't
You mean letting ESPN run a playoff system isn’t in the best interest of the sport? This is exactly why the NCAA runs all other national championships.
Run a playoff system. Own conferences. Run the playoff.
Are the ESPN Overlords making college football better for anyone? Sure the pay is increasing, but it seems obvious they are in the process of making a mini NFL at the expense of the sport.
I only mean if a team has serious NC aspirations and talent. ISU not there.
Same answer.
Look at Michigan's non-conference schedule the last three years.
Yes, Alabama played Texas but that almost cost them this year.
Florida State played LSU & Florida and it didn't matter.
Washington played a middle of the road Big 10 team coming off a terrible season
there's no reason to schedule good teams in the non-conference. Winning your conference and having a great overall record trumps everything else
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Or it just brought that soul out into the open. This is all it ever was.
Gabriel and Cord were not going to start next year. Gabriel barely held off Arnold this year, wasn't going to do that again.
McCord was not very good by Ohio State standards.
Correct, but the problem with that is that Cardale Jones played really, really well in relief. They killed Wisconsin 59-0. Not struggled to a 16-6 victory.
So while similar, the two are not the same
Yes, everything else you said is true. This is driven by greed and money and the tv corporations - all of that is 100%. but in fairness, Cardale Jones looked like a potential stud in his relief appearances.
Agree to disagree. The auto bid is there for ACC and Big 12 to play into, this is strictly talking about that new bubble.
The new bubble is 9th-15th ranked teams. Really easy for the small biased Big Ten/SEC committee to screw teams that aren’t in their favorite conferences. If you’re a team that expects to be in that playoff (ISU not there yet but for example Utah, Baylor and TCU have had periods where their talent/results would have implied they should be top 12) it cannot hurt to have a win over a top SEC/Big Ten school to make it harder to screw you as a backup plan to not being best out of 16 in Big 12. One out of 16 isn’t easy even if some Big 12 team establishes itself as a monster of the conference.
FFS even Texas likely gets skipped this year if they hadn’t totally lucked out by scheduling the SEC champion. Texas certainly passed the eye test the entire way all season, got threw playing without their star QB, and the committee for some reason had Oregon and Ohio State in front of them until Alabama forced them to move Texas up and Oregon shattered the widespread idea that they were much better than Washington to whom they lost.
Like someone else said, a lot of SEC/Big Ten teams get nothing in the deal so maybe they shy away from ever playing a dangerous Big 12/ACC team in non conf going forward. I’m talking about a team with legit NC aspirations from outside their little club. I don’t think ISU is at that level and if they were, beating soon to be mid to low level B10 Iowa isn’t the kind of game I’m talking about anyway. It would be more like Utah wins the Big 12 a few years in a row so they try to schedule Michigan or Georgia in case they slip up some year and don’t get the auto bid. (I don’t think Utah is going to dominate, just an example)
After TCU got screwed even worse in 2014 and now FSU…if anybody doesn’t think this committee has just been a way to prop up Big Ten and SEC from day one they are total morons. Just look at the actual makeup of the committee most years. There was one year they had three Big Ten legend players/coaches and the only guy from Big 12 was Texas Tech’s AD.
Dan Wetzel made a great point on the College Football Enquirer podcast:
“If FSU is SO BAD without their QB, then why in the hell are they ranked ahead of Georgia?” If we’re tossing resumes out the window and going eye test, FSU should be way lower than 5.
If the committee is going to use flawed logic, then at least be consistent with it.
“If FSU is SO BAD without their QB, then why in the hell are they ranked ahead of Georgia?” If we’re tossing resumes out the window and going eye test, FSU should be way lower than 5.
If the committee is going to use flawed logic, then at least be consistent with it.
So they opened themselves up to law suits because they’re charging for beer again?
1) They're getting screwed no matter what. The committee 100% would put Missouri, LSU and Ole Miss all in. Ohio State and Penn State are in. Oregon's in. Florida State woulda been in obviously at 12. Georgia's in.
Oh look, 8+4 =12. That's NEVER going to change. You're only hope is to get the auto bid. Name me one of those schools who has a good non conference victory.
Ole Miss-no good non con from a power conference - beating Tulane is nice but not a power opponent -
Georgia - no good non con
LSU - no good non con
Penn State - no
Oregon (I don't count Texas Tech)
Florida State - yes
Missouri - I'll say yes but K-State is probably a bubble for quality quality
All of those teams are probably getting in. Then you add Oklahoma - played no one out of conference -
So it really doesn't matter. Non of those teams are playing anyone non conference for the most part.
Hell, that was part of what the SEC commissioner said - we'll just stop scheduling good opponents -
There is no benefit to it. The reality is of 12 spots - there is not one of the out large bids that isn't already spoken for.
Maybe 1 goes to an undefeated non group of 5 team. Maybe.
The rest are going to 10-2 non Big 10 winners, 9-3 SEC teams type (LSU, Ohio State, Penn State, Mizzou)
NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE. Its just going to mutate into a larger Big 10 / SEC tournament
So if I'm in the ACC - Big 12 - I want to enhance my ability to go undefeated as much as possible. Not potentially give me a loss in the non conference
The SBC (small biased committee) has never been able to make up its mind if it is a power ranking or if it is evaluating resumes.
This year they came out a few weeks ago and said it’s just a pure power ranking…so they do think Florida State is better than Georgia and would beat Georgia in a game right now without their QB. They think Texas and Washington would beat every team in the SEC. Not debating if that’s true or not but that’s their stance.
If it really is a pure power ranking you have to still involved Georgia and Ohio State in the argument…they’d be in the argument per most computer metrics. And saying it’s a power ranking is the only way to leave out FSU who scheduled two SEC teams and put together the best W/L resume they possibly could.
Their other massive controversy year they went “power ranking/eye test” way because TCU had same # of FBS/P5 opponents, better SOS, better best win and dramatically better one loss than Ohio State the year they dropped them 3 spots out of the playoff.
I wouldn’t put a Big 12 or ACC school in the top 12 this year other other than the two champs who are big Ten/SEC bound anyway. This year there’s no injustice in terms of that 12 team bubble, I have no problem looking at Oklahoma and Louisville and saying they aren’t top 11. It’s actually going to be the fight for #11 btw. #12 would be like Tulane or JMU in the future if we use this year. I think a lot of years the B12/ACC champ would be top 11 anyway but sometimes they will come from outside top 11.
Some years it’s going to be like that without any duplicity. The SEC especially is actually 5-6 deep almost every year. Sometimes soft bottom but always stacked talent at top. It’s why they’ve had several teams dominate through the playoff when only Ohio State, Clemson and TCU (just barely) have done anything at all. TCU by themselves has outperformed the entire Big Ten if you remove Ohio State. That’s how dominant the SEC really is, big ten is just part of a financial deal unless they make some big improvement on the field outside of one program that has delivered.
Other recent years the new 16 team Big 12 has had 3-4 schools that are all top 12 caliber potentially. There have been a lot of years where say Baylor and Utah were both in top ten or on edge of top ten as an example, could happen again.
If they can get someone to schedule them that huge non conf game as a backup plan it could help and the auto bid means losing that game is no big deal to a true powerhouse team. It’s all rolling dice though. FSU did schedule incredible non conf and has a brand and still got passed over. Texas rolled the dice and hit the jackpot. If they had won @LSU instead they’d probably be out and Georgia or FSU would be in.
Yep. It’s all a total sham. They start with the teams they know they want in, and then twist the criteria however they need to in order to explain it away.
I definitely am starting to believe ESPN pulls the strings with the whole thing. Very weird how most people had FSU in, yet Herbie predicted Bama right before release. In 2014, even after #3 TCU beat us by 50 (or however much it was), he still had the foresight to predict TCU out of the playoff before it was announced.
Maybe it’s a coincidence, maybe he’s just that good at his job, or maybe ESPN feeds him the narrative to create so that the results go down smoother when it’s announced…
