***2023-24 College Football Thread***

[stewart092284]

fify

sadly this is coreect


i hate what has been done to college football. The $ and everything else is ruining what was always my favorite sport growing up.

Every summer I went to the book store or gas station looking for Street and Smith, Athlon and every other magazine I could . I use to special order them.

I was and am a huge college football junkie... and little by little, the sport has become ruined, IMO...

but yes, its all about the name and brand and the idea that its going to get the most eyeballs or adverts or whatever.


Heck for years one of my favorite Christmas gifts ever was the Encyclopedia of every single college football program in the FBS at that time. I can't remember what year it was but it had year by year records and stats and schedules and scores. A massive thing.


But that thing was awesome and one of my prized possessions for a long, long, long time

 

[stewart092284]

t’s all rolling dice though.

That's my point. If I'm Utah, Im going to say look, lets go 3-0 and bank that at least 4 of

Kansas State
Okie State
Baylor
Iowa State
Kansas
Arizona


Are going to be good year in and year out. Or at least ranked so I can go 4-1 or 4-0 against the Top 25, compete for a Big 12 title and even if I lose, Sitting at 10-3, 11-2 or 12-1 puts me in a good spot


And in theory, that COULD be Iowa State's path. If we go 10-3 (say we beat Iowa, win 6-7 games) in league and either the Big 12 title or play in the title game - that 100% in theory at least, puts us in the conversation.

Do I think we get it in? No, probably not as an at large. But If a 10-3 Big 12 champion, then yeah, Iowa State's in

 

[Cyclonsin]

That's my point. If I'm Utah, Im going to say look, lets go 3-0 and bank that at least 4 of

Kansas State
Okie State
Baylor
Iowa State
Kansas
Arizona


Are going to be good year in and year out. Or at least ranked so I can go 4-1 or 4-0 against the Top 25, compete for a Big 12 title and even if I lose, Sitting at 10-3, 11-2 or 12-1 puts me in a good spot


And in theory, that COULD be Iowa State's path. If we go 10-3 (say we beat Iowa, win 6-7 games) in league and either the Big 12 title or play in the title game - that 100% in theory at least, puts us in the conversation.

Do I think we get it in? No, probably not as an at large. But If a 10-3 Big 12 champion, then yeah, Iowa State's in

Your last bit is all that ultimately matters. Winning the conference is likely the only way in for the Iowa States of the world. There's 0% a 3-loss ISU gets an invite, even if they make they CCG. I'd say there's only a slim chance a 2-loss ISU can make it in as an at large. Even an undefeated ISU that stumbles in the CCG and loses it is likely a fringe playoff team in the 12-team playoff and may be left out if there are 8-9 SEC & B1G teams with 3 "good" losses or fewer.

 

[stewart092284]

I have never really liked Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeechigan but in all honesty.......


I seriously hope they curb stomp the hell out of Alabama.



Now, Alabama is too good and too well coached for that to happen - but - that is what I hope.

I'll be rooting for Washington to win it all but I'll be hoping Bama gets curb stomped.
Of course, if Washington can curb stomp Texas that would be awesome too

 

[ClubCy]

I only mean if a team has serious NC aspirations and talent. ISU not there.

Are you suggesting you’d rather play a tough non con than go 10-2 with a potential play off spot?

 

[xboxfever]

I have never really liked Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeechigan but in all honesty.......


I seriously hope they curb stomp the hell out of Alabama.



Now, Alabama is too good and too well coached for that to happen - but - that is what I hope.

I'll be rooting for Washington to win it all but I'll be hoping Bama gets curb stomped.
Of course, if Washington can curb stomp Texas that would be awesome too

I agree. Harbaugh called Michigan “Americas Team,” after his cheating scandal and that was laughable. I think we can all agree to call them “Americas Team” now. **** the SEC, ESPN, and the committee for what they’ve done. Also, no one watch the ******* playoffs. Root for Michigan, but don’t actually watch the game. America needs to tank the ratings.

 

[RealisticCy]

Your last bit is all that ultimately matters. Winning the conference is likely the only way in for the Iowa States of the world. There's 0% a 3-loss ISU gets an invite, even if they make they CCG. I'd say there's only a slim chance a 2-loss ISU can make it in as an at large. Even an undefeated ISU that stumbles in the CCG and loses it is likely a fringe playoff team in the 12-team playoff and may be left out if there are 8-9 SEC & B1G teams with 3 "good" losses or fewer.

All you have to do is look at who got picked for the big 6 bowls (Cotton, Peach, Orange, Fiesta, Rose,, Sugar)....that's exactly who will make up the 12 team playoff.

This year, SEC got 4 teams, Big 10 got 3, and both Pac-12 teams that got in will be in the Big 10 going forward and that conference will no longer exist.

Going forward the Big 12 will get 1 team, ACC will get 1 or 2 depending on how Clemson and FSU finish, add in Notre Dame and highest ranked G5 team. SEC and Big 10 will get minimum 7 of 12 slots every year

 

[SolterraCyclone]

Dan Wetzel made a great point on the College Football Enquirer podcast:

“If FSU is SO BAD without their QB, then why in the hell are they ranked ahead of Georgia?” If we’re tossing resumes out the window and going eye test, FSU should be way lower than 5.

If the committee is going to use flawed logic, then at least be consistent with it.

Leaving out FSU just continues to infuriate me more and more. It’s so corrupt, I’m having a tough time getting over it.

It really is pissing me off when casual fans (like on local Denver radio this morning) keep saying “well do you really think FSU could beat Alabama if they played today”. No I don’t. But who I (or anyone) thinks would win shouldn’t and isn’t a criteria to select teams.

You shouldn’t be using implicit bias (or at least minimizing it) to make decisions. There are examples everyday when a consensus opinion is wrong. No one thought TCU would beat Michigan last year. No one thought Tulane would defeat Caleb Williams and USC last year. Who picked San Diego St vs UConn in the basketball championship. Anyone have FAU in the final 4?

A committee should be making decisions using objective metrics to support its decision: overall record, head to head results, SOS, etc. They shouldn’t be making decisions using implicit bias to support its decision. Eye test is nothing but implicit bias which shouldn’t impact a decision at all.

Anyway, I just remain pissed off by this. But at the end of the day, I have no allegiance to FSU or any team in the CFP. So I should probably get over it until the same process screws ISU.

 

[cytor]

Since the committee is completely inept at picking the proper teams for the Playoffs, they should have went all in:

Nebby
Illinois
Minnesota
Purdue

If you are going to **** it up, do it right.

 

[SolterraCyclone]

All you have to do is look at who got picked for the big 6 bowls (Cotton, Peach, Orange, Fiesta, Rose,, Sugar)....that's exactly who will make up the 12 team playoff.

This year, SEC got 4 teams, Big 10 got 3, and both Pac-12 teams that got in will be in the Big 10 going forward and that conference will no longer exist.

Going forward the Big 12 will get 1 team, ACC will get 1 or 2 depending on how Clemson and FSU finish, add in Notre Dame and highest ranked G5 team. SEC and Big 10 will get minimum 7 of 12 slots every year

There’s still a good chance B12 can get two moving forward. The PAC will be gone, and I’m assuming Oregon and Washington would have accumulated more losses, or OSU and Penn Stare would have, with the new B10 sschedule. So that would eliminate at least two of those teams.

The B12 was also down this year, and even then were close to securing two teams with OU at #12.

 

[Clonehomer]

I said this before, but I really hope this solidifies the non-P2 conferences to demand a different system for the CFP as they set them up beyond ‘24. A clear criteria and metrics are needed. Cause the eye test cannot be a fair metric going forward. Bring back the BCS computers if you need to.

And if the P2 don’t want to agree to that, then be willing to walk away and form your own system.

 

[heitclone]

What a humbling year for FSU, they were bumped to the bottom of the tv money pecking order and now left out of the cfp. If you thought they were making a fuss about leaving the acc before, you haven't seen anything yet. This was extremely damaging to the future of the acc.

 

[PickSix]

Leaving out FSU just continues to infuriate me more and more. It’s so corrupt, I’m having a tough time getting over it.

It really is pissing me off when casual fans (like on local Denver radio this morning) keep saying “well do you really think FSU could beat Alabama if they played today”. No I don’t. But who I (or anyone) thinks would win shouldn’t and isn’t a criteria to select teams.

You shouldn’t be using implicit bias (or at least minimizing it) to make decisions. There are examples everyday when a consensus opinion is wrong. No one thought TCU would beat Michigan last year. No one thought Tulane would defeat Caleb Williams and USC last year. Who picked San Diego St vs UConn in the basketball championship. Anyone have FAU in the final 4?

A committee should be making decisions using objective metrics to support its decision: overall record, head to head results, SOS, etc. They shouldn’t be making decisions using implicit bias to support its decision. Eye test is nothing but implicit bias which shouldn’t impact a decision at all.

Anyway, I just remain pissed off by this. But at the end of the day, I have no allegiance to FSU or any team in the CFP. So I should probably get over it until the same process screws ISU.

I feel the exact same way. I have no affiliation to FSU and was even rooting against them Saturday night.

There are plenty of things that happen in sports where I go to bed angry, and then wake up the next morning ready to move on. This is one I can’t put behind me.

They literally told FSU that their entire season doesn’t matter. This team did everything right, scheduled hard games, and finished perfect.

For sports to be fun, the games have to matter. For Florida State, everything they worked for and accomplished was just deemed meaningless by some arbitrary committee with no objective criteria.

 

[JHUNSY]

I said this before, but I really hope this solidifies the non-P2 conferences to demand a different system for the CFP as they set them up beyond ‘24. A clear criteria and metrics are needed. Cause the eye test cannot be a fair metric going forward. Bring back the BCS computers if you need to.

And if the P2 don’t want to agree to that, then be willing to walk away and form your own system.

Yeah, the other issue is the money associated with your bids. So even when the playoff expands, the committee is just going to increase SEC and Big 10 bids further exacerbating the financial disparity (and they’ll likely pin other conference bids with the more difficult paths).

The playoffs will never suffice so long as it remains a controversial invitational.

 

[Cyballz]

As long as there is a committee involved where ESPN is chief puppet master then it really doesn't matter what ISU or any other Big 12 team does, they move the goalposts to fit whatever narrative gets them the teams they want. You think a 11-1 or 10-2 ISU is ever going to be chosen over a Big10/SEC team? Naw, they'll make up whatever criteria they need that year to get the usually suspects in the playoffs.

 

[RealisticCy]

There’s still a good chance B12 can get two moving forward. The PAC will be gone, and I’m assuming Oregon and Washington would have accumulated more losses, or OSU and Penn Stare would have, with the new B10 sschedule. So that would eliminate at least two of those teams.

The B12 was also down this year, and even then were close to securing two teams with OU at #12.

Completely disagree. Big 10 will have 18 teams, SEC will have 16. They can both engineer schedules to ensure they get as many 9-3 or 10-2 teams as possible. Go undefeated in non-con and find 6 conference wins....that'll be the formula. Not hard when the Big Ten has so damn many terrible programs.

It'll take something special for the Big 12 to get a second team in.....a couple good non-con wins, one of which on the road, go undefeated in conference and lose a competitive championship game. Anything less and it'll allow the same "justified" exclusion that FSU faced this year.

I said this before, but I really hope this solidifies the non-P2 conferences to demand a different system for the CFP as they set them up beyond ‘24. A clear criteria and metrics are needed. Cause the eye test cannot be a fair metric going forward. Bring back the BCS computers if you need to.

And if the P2 don’t want to agree to that, then be willing to walk away and form your own system.

The other conferences don't have any leverage......if they want to break away, the P2 says "thanks" and takes the TV money with them. All of it.

 

[Clonehomer]

The other conferences don't have any leverage......if they want to break away, the P2 says "thanks" and takes the TV money with them. All of it.

If you’re losing roughly half the fans by removing all those teams, there’s no way that TV money stays what it is. And can they survive with only playing themselves in all sports? Cause there’s leverage there as well.

 

[HFCS]

That's my point. If I'm Utah, Im going to say look, lets go 3-0 and bank that at least 4 of

Kansas State
Okie State
Baylor
Iowa State
Kansas
Arizona


Are going to be good year in and year out. Or at least ranked so I can go 4-1 or 4-0 against the Top 25, compete for a Big 12 title and even if I lose, Sitting at 10-3, 11-2 or 12-1 puts me in a good spot


And in theory, that COULD be Iowa State's path. If we go 10-3 (say we beat Iowa, win 6-7 games) in league and either the Big 12 title or play in the title game - that 100% in theory at least, puts us in the conversation.

Do I think we get it in? No, probably not as an at large. But If a 10-3 Big 12 champion, then yeah, Iowa State's in

Big 12 champ is in automatically no matter what next year.

The question is in the quest to be ranked #11 or better by a committee that has always been beholden to two conferences. Are you better off after losing B12CCG to be 12-1/11-2 and you didn't play any of their beloved teams...or are you better off to be 12-1/11-2 having beaten one of the beloved or 11-2/10-3 because you lost that game you scheduled at Penn State or LSU (assuming teams like that would even schedule a B12 program that has been rolling).

I'd argue the paradigm shifts a little and it's worth it to at least try and do what Texas scheduled this year and force the hand of a crooked system.

Texas kind of hit the lucky jackpot this year. There were 3 contenders for SEC champ and they happened to schedule the one. FSU scheduled LSU who happened to not be. Flip that scheduling luck...and FSU/Texas still win the games...FSU is in because they beat the beloved SEC champ and Texas is out.

For ISU I want cupcake city. We've never been in a situation where we expect to be top 15 for several years straight. A few of the teams in the new Big 12 have had stretches like that. TCU has finished ranked in the top 3 twice in the past 10 years even though they were down this year. Baylor, Utah and OK St have all had runs were being ranked 11 or higher wasn't unexpected.

 

[BigJCy]

Not surprising:

 

[SolterraCyclone]

Completely disagree. Big 10 will have 18 teams, SEC will have 16. They can both engineer schedules to ensure they get as many 9-3 or 10-2 teams as possible. Go undefeated in non-con and find 6 conference wins....that'll be the formula. Not hard when the Big Ten has so damn many terrible programs.

It'll take something special for the Big 12 to get a second team in.....a couple good non-con wins, one of which on the road, go undefeated in conference and lose a competitive championship game. Anything less and it'll allow the same "justified" exclusion that FSU faced this year.


The other conferences don't have any leverage......if they want to break away, the P2 says "thanks" and takes the TV money with them. All of it.

Yep, definitely possible you’re right too.

No question. This committee is even more corrupt than I thought possible. We’ll find out