***2023-24 College Football Thread***

[HFCS]

Are you suggesting you’d rather play a tough non con than go 10-2 with a potential play off spot?

I'm saying if I was in Texas position this year...and didn't even have the Texas brand...wow brilliant move to have scheduled a game against SEC champ and beat them so they can't F*** you in the ace putting SEC teams in front of you.

Step one for that is even expecting to be that good which ISU isn't right now. I'm not sure any B12 team is but we'll see. At some point one or two of them will likely get something going like that.

I think the committee only exists to help the Big Ten and SEC, otherwise we'd have kept the superior BCS ranking. Just look at the makeup year by year, they don't staff it fairly, it's obviously biased. They pick the deserving teams most years, but now we have a second case where they stepped in and screwed teams with flawless/near flawless resumes to protect their true goal.

I think you're better off if your goal is the make the playoff and you expect to be a top 11 team, to try to schedule and beat some of their favorite pet teams vs not playing any of them and hope they reverse course and start to love other conferences. If you lose it you still have the path through the B12CCG anyway. If you win it, it makes them harder to screw you if you truly deserve a top 11 spot.

I think 11-2 (or even 12-1 or 11-1) with an easy non-conf is going to be easy for the biased committee to F anybody outside of their two leagues. Especially now that the two brands in our conference they might have favored are gone.

 

[WooBadger18]

I feel the exact same way. I have no affiliation to FSU and was even rooting against them Saturday night.

There are plenty of things that happen in sports where I go to bed angry, and then wake up the next morning ready to move on. This is one I can’t put behind me.

They literally told FSU that their entire season doesn’t matter. This team did everything right, scheduled hard games, and finished perfect.

For sports to be fun, the games have to matter. For Florida State, everything they worked for and accomplished was just deemed meaningless by some arbitrary committee with no objective criteria.

I think one of the other reasons that it bugs me so much is that it is proof of concept of what would happen if Iowa State went 13-0.

One of the reasons I have wanted playoff expansion with auto-bids and without byes is that I believe the committee would not treat Iowa State (or other schools that are not the "haves") fairly. This is pretty good evidence of that. Florida State is "have" school; they are historically successful, have a large fanbase, and have a big brand. If they are being screwed over like this, what hope does Iowa State have if they are ever in this situation?

 

[qwerty]

The OSU QB job opening up is intriguing. Also surprised the OU QB decided to transfer. Add in Caleb Williams likely going pro and that's three high profile QB jobs open right now.

Too bad Petras already committed to Utah State . . . . .

 

[qwerty]

Even SEC Shorts is poking at the committee selecting Alabama over Florida State.

 

[HFCS]

I think one of the other reasons that it bugs me so much is that it is proof of concept of what would happen if Iowa State went 13-0.

One of the reasons I have wanted playoff expansion with auto-bids and without byes is that I believe the committee would not treat Iowa State (or other schools that are not the "haves") fairly. This is pretty good evidence of that. Florida State is "have" school; they are historically successful, have a large fanbase, and have a big brand. If they are being screwed over like this, what hope does Iowa State have if they are ever in this situation?

Even Texas would’ve been screwed if they hadn’t scheduled Bama.

They staff the committee stacked with two conferences and the committee protects the two conferences when needed.

Most years the SEC needs no help, they needed help for the first time and got it at FSU’s expense.

 

[ClubCy]

I'm saying if I was in Texas position this year...and didn't even have the Texas brand...wow brilliant move to have scheduled a game against SEC champ and beat them so they can't F*** you in the ace putting SEC teams in front of you.

Step one for that is even expecting to be that good which ISU isn't right now. I'm not sure any B12 team is but we'll see. At some point one or two of them will likely get something going like that.

I think the committee only exists to help the Big Ten and SEC, otherwise we'd have kept the superior BCS ranking. Just look at the makeup year by year, they don't staff it fairly, it's obviously biased. They pick the deserving teams most years, but now we have a second case where they stepped in and screwed teams with flawless/near flawless resumes to protect their true goal.

I think you're better off if your goal is the make the playoff and you expect to be a top 11 team, to try to schedule and beat some of their favorite pet teams vs not playing any of them and hope they reverse course and start to love other conferences. If you lose it you still have the path through the B12CCG anyway. If you win it, it makes them harder to screw you if you truly deserve a top 11 spot.

I think 11-2 (or even 12-1 or 11-1) with an easy non-conf is going to be easy for the biased committee to F anybody outside of their two leagues. Especially now that the two brands in our conference they might have favored are gone.

Fair points all around.

 

[stewart092284]

Even Texas would’ve been screwed if they hadn’t scheduled Bama.

They staff the committee stacked with two conferences and the committee protects the two conferences when needed.

Most years the SEC needs no help, they needed help for the first time and got it at FSU’s expense.

Disagree. A 12-1 Texas - IMO - gets in. Its freaking Texas.

In brand wars its probably


SEC
Texas
Big 10

 

[FriendlySpartan]

Even Texas would’ve been screwed if they hadn’t scheduled Bama.

They staff the committee stacked with two conferences and the committee protects the two conferences when needed.

Most years the SEC needs no help, they needed help for the first time and got it at FSU’s expense.

One thing that I hope comes from this mess is a more concrete way of evaluating the future at large bids. As many have pointed out the inconsistency’s in determining injured players impact, the conference schedule imbalance the SEC currently has only playing 8 games, as well as conference strength with the SEC having a losing non con record this year all need to be laid out.

I was a bit of a prick mostly out of frustration that we all saw this BS coming. As many pointed out even if Bama is the better team the games really do have to count for something and while the 12 team playoff should fix egregious mistakes like this one they still need to lay out solid criteria for selection.

One thing I would also like to see changed is the talking heads both at ESPN and Fox need to disclose that they have a vested interest in certain conferences success when doing selection shows like yesterday. Booger said the quiet part out loud and the whole set turned on him. When watching a financial program they have to disclose if they are active investors in certain stocks/funds/equities and the networks should be forced to do the same.

 

[Cyclonsin]

Disagree. A 12-1 Texas - IMO - gets in. Its freaking Texas.

In brand wars its probably


SEC
Texas
Big 10

If they didn't have the H2H over Bama Texas wouldn't have been let in.

They HAD to include Texas if they wanted to include the SEC. The H2H had to mean something. If Texas didn't have that it would have been the 3 undefeated teams and Bama.

 

[HFCS]

Disagree. A 12-1 Texas - IMO - gets in. Its freaking Texas.

In brand wars its probably


SEC
Texas
Big 10

They were #7. Why would they have jumped 4 spots other than beating sec champ and committee wanting sec in?

 

[WooBadger18]

Even Texas would’ve been screwed if they hadn’t scheduled Bama.

They staff the committee stacked with two conferences and the committee protects the two conferences when needed.

Most years the SEC needs no help, they needed help for the first time and got it at FSU’s expense.

Maybe, I think it depends on who they played.

I agree with one commentator who said if Georgia had won, Florida State would have been in and Texas would have been out. But because Alabama won (so they are the SEC rep) you then need to include Texas because they beat Alabama

 

[FarminCy]

Run a playoff system. Own conferences. Run the playoff.

Are the ESPN Overlords making college football better for anyone? Sure the pay is increasing, but it seems obvious they are in the process of making a mini NFL at the expense of the sport.

A mini NFL would be great in contrast to what CFB is. NFL has salary caps, draft positions, teams make playoffs based on actual records and standings and tiebreakers. CFB is just media entities propping 10 teams so at least 3 of those teams make the CFP every year.

But agree with your point though that ESPN and Fox have ruined CFB.

 

[stewart092284]

Because they're name is Texas? Alabama got in because they're Alabama. They won the SEC yes, but they're name is Alabama. That mattered more.

Texas won the Big 12 - its name is Texas.

This is a business. Its a business decision. 0% that ESPN loses out on all the eye balls that comes with having Texas in.

If people think there's been a lot of noise about Florida State - holy batman man - if they left a 12-1 Texas out? Whoa buddy.

 

[WooBadger18]

Because they're name is Texas? Alabama got in because they're Alabama. They won the SEC yes, but they're name is Alabama. That mattered more.

Texas won the Big 12 - its name is Texas.

This is a business. Its a business decision. 0% that ESPN loses out on all the eye balls that comes with having Texas in.

If people think there's been a lot of noise about Florida State - holy batman man - if they left a 12-1 Texas out? Whoa buddy.

I really don't think there would have been the same level of outrage from non-Texas fans because the logic would have made a lot more sense. Also, if Georgia had won (I'm not sure who were responding to about Texas), ESPN and the College Football playoff would have marketed this as 4 13-0 teams. Plus, Florida State is a large brand on its own. So it would have made sense from a business perspective.

Edit: removed text that went nowhere

 

[stewart092284]

I really don't think there would have been the same level of outrage from non-Texas fans because the logic would have made a lot more sense. Plus, Florida State is a large brand on its own. So it would have made sense from a business perspective.

1) Logic? Texas fans? What Texas fans have you met and where are they?

2) Florida State is not small.

3) Texas is much larger


My point is this . Without the Bama win, Texas is seeded #4. Florida State is out.
With the Bama win, Texas is #3 - Florida state is out.


Florida State was not going to make the CFP - once Texas went 12-1 - its goose was done and cooked. The only question in my mind on Sunday was whether or not the SEC got two in or if Texas made it.

 

[WooBadger18]

1) Logic? Texas fans? What Texas fans have you met and where are they?

2) Florida State is not small.

3) Texas is much larger

FYI, I edited in an extra sentence while you were posting. Doesn't change much, but adds a little detail

The logic comment was about non-Texas fans. If Georgia had won, it would have been 4 13-0 conference champions. That's hard to argue against.

 

[stewart092284]

FYI, I edited in an extra sentence while you were posting. Doesn't change much, but adds a little detail

The logic comment was about non-Texas fans. If Georgia had won, it would have been 4 13-0 conference champions. That's hard to argue against.

From a football stand point, you are 100% correct.

But IMO, I don't think it mattered. Texas going 12-1 sealed Florida State's fate. Because this was about brands, And Match ups.

They wanted a "better" game with Michigan. So they would have simply used the same argument - Jordan Travis being injured - no matter what happened in the SEC title game.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

FYI, I edited in an extra sentence while you were posting. Doesn't change much, but adds a little detail

The logic comment was about non-Texas fans. If Georgia had won, it would have been 4 13-0 conference champions. That's hard to argue against.

Plus they would have had their SEC team in so they wouldn’t have had to manipulate the criteria

 

[stewart092284]

Plus they would have had their SEC team in so they wouldn’t have had to manipulate the criteria

It wasn't just about SEC... Its branding. Matchups. Money.

This was a business decision. This was ESPN deciding who the 4 best were. This wasn't about who won what or "deserved" or "4 best". This was they wanted big brands, big matchups and lots of $

Name me one school with more money than Texas.

 

[qwerty]

1) Logic? Texas fans? What Texas fans have you met and where are they?

2) Florida State is not small.

3) Texas is much larger


My point is this . Without the Bama win, Texas is seeded #4. Florida State is out.
With the Bama win, Texas is #3 - Florida state is out.


Florida State was not going to make the CFP - once Texas went 12-1 - its goose was done and cooked. The only question in my mind on Sunday was whether or not the SEC got two in or if Texas made it.

Hypothetical now, but what if Bama loses to Auburn then beats Georgia? Does one loss GA get in over FSU even though they didn't win their CCG? Two loss Bama wouldn't/shouldn't be in the conversation.