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Exactly, this whole game has been getting the valuable teams into one conference so they don't have to pay the other teams. They took Texas & OU because they couldn't make the numbers work to pay all of the Big12 for access just to those two schools. So they moved them to the SEC. Same thing with the Pac12 names.
Next step, they are gonna ask, why are we paying Vanderbilt and Rutgers $100 million to get access to show Alabama and Michigan games. The whole thing will keep getting smaller until it makes financial sense for them.
You're confusing TV contracts with this proposal. They didn't take the ACC schools because they couldn't get out.
This is for anybody willing to commit the money and meet the requirements and they want as many schools as they can that will pay the price. The more TV inventory they can sell and the more alumni that they can get attached to this thing the better.
Now this is just a proposal and the leagues could squash it if they choose but from an NCAA perspective anybody that wants to be in is in.
I love watching ISU right now (mostly basketball but the snow game was incredible) plus sparty might be there as well. Michigan is obv safe but this is just stupid.
They think ISU fans will watch Iowa, or OK State fans will watch OU, or Tech/Baylor/TCU fans will become Longhorn fans.
If Iowa made the cut (which would depend on how many make that cut) I'd only watch Iowa games in some social setting. It would be far less interesting to me than it currently is. I'd almost never watch the other Big 10 other than in a totally casual setting.
These fools - NCAA, media - are effing up a good thing.
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Yes - SEC and B10 is getting close, but there are a lot of dogs in those leagues that a breakaway would be much more valuable if they weren't included. I think 40-50 is the sweet spot where a schools individual piece of the pie is biggest long term. It might be bigger down around 30, but I think that presents enough risk in starting to lose viewership that it isn't worth peeling more away. Any potential downside for the top teams at including as many as 40-50 could be addressed through uneven media sharing based on results, viewership, etc.
Here's the situation the Big 10 and SEC have now. They really don't share money with the other leagues outside of a few bits and pieces. Yet they get the benefit of all those other schools' fans being fully invested in watching their games because they are still part of the broader club. SEC and Big 10 are going to dominate the airwaves, get the most money, and get most of the playoff spots moving forward.
They are getting the benefits of having Big 12 and ACC fans care about their games at a high level, without having to sponsor their programs.
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I think media ends up as part of it. If schools commit to the upper league they need the revenue to do it. That's gonna come from the media landscape. I wouldn't be shocked if there weren't back room conversations to determine which schools would really fit in the top tier.
If there are 36 P2 schools ESPN, Fox, CBS, NBC and any new networks will need a lot more than the 18 games a week they will get from the P2.
Tier 2 teams will dominate in basketball.
Like many others, I can't imagine more than half of the current P2 want to relegate themselves to get pounded every week and never win more than 4 or 5 games a year.
One last thing, there is no way in hell the NCAA is going to keep most of the March Madness money going forward. As Yormark knows, the big boys in P2 and Tier 2 are going to need that money that they mostly generate.
Tier 2 teams will dominate in basketball.
Like many others, I can't imagine more than half of the current P2 want to relegate themselves to get pounded every week and never win more than 4 or 5 games a year.
One last thing, there is no way in hell the NCAA is going to keep most of the March Madness money going forward. As Yormark knows, the big boys in P2 and Tier 2 are going to need that money that they mostly generate.
Schools like MSU and Iowa are in a tough position too. If they make the cut to participate in the super league, they are absolutely going to be whipping boys who's only solace will be saying they're in the big league, or whatever.
Yep I get that. I also think that while overtime you could shift people’s viewing habits you’re going to turn off a massive portion of the current audience in my opinion. Maybe I’m wrong though, I always see people online saying they’re never watching the NFL again for various reasons and they still tune in.
Do we even know what kind of money we’re talking about? The $30k proposal was just the starting point. The NIL will be significantly more. If the Big10 and SEC schools are getting $100M annually in revenue, how do you make that up with donor funds? They will use every penny they can to buy the best football team.
All that money the Big10 schools have been spending on Olympic sports to clear the books of profit is gone. The money that the AD’s have been giving to the schools will be gone. It all goes to the football team now.
This league would definitely still be viable but my viewership outside of ISU games would go to whatever division they're in because those games are relevant. I'd probably tune into some of the "super league" playoffs just because it would be a social thing I'm sure but that would be it for me personally
Personally, I'd be fine with this. The quality of B12/Iowa St teams probably doesn't change much unless:
- The top league massively increases roster sizes
- Playing for a top league team changes eligibility for the other leagues (ie, couldn't transfer)
Eligibility would be pretty easy too - playing in the top league would count towards the player's eligibility in the other leagues. If it doesn't work out, they're free to transfer down. Plenty of pro players come out of G5 and lower conferences today. We've gotten past the weird fixation on amatuer status of players, so I don't think it's much of a stretch just to accept it.
Signs (that we should get soon) that the doomsday scenario will be progressing:
CFP agrees that payouts should be to teams not conference
CFP puts no limits on number of participants for any conference
CFP decides that the at-large selections will be by a committee
CFP agrees that payouts should be to teams not conference
CFP puts no limits on number of participants for any conference
CFP decides that the at-large selections will be by a committee
Those are for reasons that are far less personal (IMO) than vested interest in a school.
It's usually some form of political protest that runs out of steam, mostly because those folks care about a team already in the NFL and can't quit it.
If you told the bottom 60% of the NFL that they had to join the XFL, those fanbases aren't going to tune into the remaining NFL games anywhere near as much as they previously had.
Note: as many noted in the comments of that yet those are not the most recent numbers. For example Iowa State is above 100 million as of the last report.
The problem with the $100 million budget logic here is that it is circular logic. Most of the schools that have $100 million budgets only have it because of TV in the first place.
"The people who should be eligible to get paid to play football on TV will be the ones we pay now to play football on TV."
This does not mean it won't work out that way though.
I live in MN and have tried to explain to MN fans and even local IA fans that their schools are not immune to these realignments. They are about to get a rude awakening
