Rocco's NIL value

[AuH2O]

One of the owners of the prior company I worked for is an Alabama alumni. He received an email from the athletic department suggesting that those donors who traditionally donate to the school's athletic program make their donations to the NIL program. So the school knows that the more they win the more money the school makes anyway through increased enrollment, licensed apparel/merch, etc.

I really thought that when this kind of thing started happening that we would eventually see some sort of legal action based on Title IX. When the athletic departments are explicitly telling donors to not donate to the AD (where that money is subject to Title IX) and to donate to collectives (not subject to Title IX) there would be a pretty easy case that this is transparent way for ADs to funnel money disproportionately to FB and MBB.

Most of the money that ADs are redirecting to collectives is not going for NIL, but simply pay to play for male athletes, most of whom are getting more than they could on a true NIL basis. I think Blum mentioned that a P5 starter quality OL is like $600k. A typical, random Big 12 starting OL isn't getting $600k for endorsement deals. So you have a male athlete that has very little true "NIL" value getting a huge chunk of money that the AD has essentially declined to accept and spread to women's sports.

This seems like it's still ripe for a big class action suit on behalf of female athletes on the basis that ADs are diverting money to work around Title IX.

 

[ScottyP]

I completely agree. What is it about the human condition that allows us to go along with make believe ways of doing business. If anything it shows a complete lack of leadership from the college sports "leaders" (or is it "legends"?

So dumb.

The biggest reason for this is they are trying to keep their "non-profit" status. Also, why have the club/team pay for the players, when you can put all of that cost/liability on the fans?

 

[Tre4ISU]

Trying to think rationally, but those who come from a "balanced" home and made the right decisions when selecting a college, it seems as if NiL won't have the significant impact we saw these first couple of years. Albeit, there will always be outliers, but look at who were kept intact this year roster wise as compared to previous years.

Culture and relationships last forever...Dolla Dolla Bills won't.

Listen man, I get your point and there's definitely something to it but the idea of a kid walking out of college with a million dollars, conceding he came from that same "balanced" home and a degree has it made even in today's world. I mean, at retirement age, that's well over $10 million at a conservative return if you never invest any more money again so that money does indeed last forever.

Some people want to villainize these guys chasing money and I was probably one of them but when I think of the idea of a kid from moderate or worse means being pretty set up after college if it's managed well, I can't blame anyone. That's an insanely different place to be in than if you are getting a couple hundred thousand.

 

[psycln11]

Chris is on with Ken Miller right now.
Ken brought up Rocco and "what he was hearing NIL wise to transfer."
Chris said multiple seven plus $ offers. Ken said he heard one seven plus $ offer.

Can he get NIL offers from other schools without being in the portal? Isn't that still considered tampering?

I know the NCAA has become the Wild West but where's the limits??

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

It moved from an apprentice type of relationship to that of a job.

If it's a job then put these players on a payroll and quit with the student athlete bull ****.

They're professional football players. They make more than the XFL and USFL (and some NFL).

Let's stop ******* around. License out the school names to the professional ball clubs and let them run their own business
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But if they do that then the players become employees of the school, and that opens up a whole other can of worms and problems for the schools.

Its what should happen, but its going to take a while for the schools to realize that.

 

[Cyclonsin]

Can he get NIL offers from other schools without being in the portal? Isn't that still considered tampering?

I know the NCAA has become the Wild West but where's the limits??

Limits?

 

[Tre4ISU]

I really thought that when this kind of thing started happening that we would eventually see some sort of legal action based on Title IX. When the athletic departments are explicitly telling donors to not donate to the AD (where that money is subject to Title IX) and to donate to collectives (not subject to Title IX) there would be a pretty easy case that this is transparent way for ADs to funnel money disproportionately to FB and MBB.

Most of the money that ADs are redirecting to collectives is not going for NIL, but simply pay to play for male athletes, most of whom are getting more than they could on a true NIL basis. I think Blum mentioned that a P5 starter quality OL is like $600k. A typical, random Big 12 starting OL isn't getting $600k for endorsement deals. So you have a male athlete that has very little true "NIL" value getting a huge chunk of money that the AD has essentially declined to accept and spread to women's sports.

This seems like it's still ripe for a big class action suit on behalf of female athletes on the basis that ADs are diverting money to work around Title IX.

While I agree that NIL isn't a true market value proposition right now, they're not going to be able to do anything about it until we get to official revenue sharing. This is the entire argument for NIL as it is and I agree with it currently. With few exceptions (Caitlin Clark and she gets PAID), MBB and CFB are paying the bills for everyone already. I don't think they should be required to do more and so long as NIL is legal, people are going to make sure their money is going where they want it.

 

[ScottyP]

Can he get NIL offers from other schools without being in the portal? Isn't that still considered tampering?

I know the NCAA has become the Wild West but where's the limits??

Any limit they try to implement will lose in the courts. Why even bother trying to set up guardrails when the courts will strike it down?

 

[Die4Cy]

Listen man, I get your point and there's definitely something to it but the idea of a kid walking out of college with a million dollars, conceding he came from that same "balanced" home and a degree has it made even in today's world. I mean, at retirement age, that's well over $10 million at a conservative return if you never invest any more money again so that money does indeed last forever.

Some people want to villainize these guys chasing money and I was probably one of them but when I think of the idea of a kid from moderate or worse means being pretty set up after college if it's managed well, I can't blame anyone. That's an insanely different place to be in than if you are getting a couple hundred thousand.

This is how I view it.

Something can be both bad for the sport overall but good and right for the individuals participating in the system as it is built.

Can something better come out of it? Sure. Will it? Not until the current system is ready to collapse under its own weight. This is a collective action problem and there are plenty of entities that benefit from the current way things are done.

 

[helechopper]

The biggest reason for this is they are trying to keep their "non-profit" status. Also, why have the club/team pay for the players, when you can put all of that cost/liability on the fans?

So we're the idiots. Great.

 

[KnappShack]

It moved from an apprentice type of relationship to that of a job.

If it's a job then put these players on a payroll and quit with the student athlete bull ****.

They're professional football players. They make more than the XFL and USFL (and some NFL).

Let's stop ******* around. License out the school names to the professional ball clubs and let them run their own business

But if they do that then the players become employees of the school, and that opens up a whole other can of worms and problems for the schools.

Its what should happen, but its going to take a while for the schools to realize that.
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Of the school or an employee of the business that is licensing the use of ISU's logo, trademark, and IP.

Spin these entities off completely. They pay ISU to use the name, but are largely unaffiliated with the learnin' wing of the school.

We're well past the days of the Dirty 30 and club sports. This is big business that doesn't fit into the mission of a learning institution.

I'm not sure what the ultimate solution is, but status quo is garbage. This is professional sports. Sports being ultimately managed (in theory) by university presidents who should be focused on education and not TV contracts.

W2 the players (either with ISU employment or the athletic corporation), pay them, give them full benefits, and stop playing the "student athlete" game.

 

[Die4Cy]

Can he get NIL offers from other schools without being in the portal? Isn't that still considered tampering?

I know the NCAA has become the Wild West but where's the limits??

Inside of the NCAA structure there can be no limits. They keep losing in court when trying to uphold any of them.

Something other than the NCAA will have to be constructed to deal with the problem. We have the professional model to look to as one that works, so it is likely that is where this winds up. Now how that interfaces with universities and the budgets of athletics departments for all the other sports is an open question that will be a thorny one to pick apart because it is what makes college football unique.

 

[CyGuy5]

Would love to know the sources of ‘I’ve heard’.

Sent you a PM

 

[RagingCloner]

Oh well, next man up.

Holy dumb take. Where have you seen anywhere that he’s leaving?

 

[psycln11]

Inside of the NCAA structure there can be no limits. They keep losing in court when trying to uphold any of them.

Something other than the NCAA will have to be constructed to deal with the problem. We have the professional model to look to as one that works, so it is likely that is where this winds up. Now how that interfaces with universities and the budgets of athletics departments for all the other sports is an open question that will be a thorny one to pick apart because it is what makes college football unique.

When will we see the first University drop all sports except football and women's basketball (Title IX), because they can't afford anything else having to buy players.

 

[Tre4ISU]

This is how I view it.

Something can be both bad for the sport overall but good and right for the individuals participating in the system as it is built.

Can something better come out of it? Sure. Will it? Not until the current system is ready to collapse under its own weight. This is a collective action problem and there are plenty of entities that benefit from the current way things are done.

It depends on how we look at it. Is this bad for Iowa State? Yes, it definitely is. Is it bad for CFB? I don't think so. I think it makes the general product more compelling. How many teams are going to have a legitimate shot at the playoffs next year? Certainly more than the pre-NIL era.

 

[mynameisjonas]

Holy dumb take. Where have you seen anywhere that he’s leaving?

nowhere but how does he pass up 7 figs.

 

[DesertClone1]

nowhere but how does he pass up 7 figs.

the same way TJ Tampa did last year....

 

[Cfinnerty16]

nowhere but how does he pass up 7 figs.

Just like what was said above, like Tampa.
We get him around 300k and that’s enough + the culture to keep him from looking

 

[RagingCloner]

nowhere but how does he pass up 7 figs.

Lol is this a legit question? He has an NFL future and his dad made something like 15 mil in the NFL over his career. Rocco doesn’t need money