*** Official #7 Kansas vs #23 IOWA STATE Game(Day) Thread ***

[NENick]

But to ask this team to do things out the ordinary every game is not a basis to win consistently. We were supposed to win that game by 7 points. So we shouldn't have had to do anything out of the ordinary to win. It's great that we did but it's a little concerning.

16-4, 5-2, 12-0 at home.
Winning pretty consistently, IMO.

I've been expecting a game with outstanding shooting, because it seemed to be trending that way. Figures that it would happen at home. I certainly don't expect 14-30 from 3 to be the norm. But 4 previous conference wins were accomplished without high percentage from 3 or number of 3s.

 

[ISUChippewa]

I'm not upset.

Then what is your point? Good grief; you started off by bragging about how it was time to "piss in everyone's cheerios". You clearly didn't enjoy this win very much, or otherwise you wouldn't keep on going into these inane posts about how it was a flawed victory because because a guy who normally doesn't make a whole lot of three pointers had a career day yesterday?

I've seen a lot of silly and stupid things on this board, but the last few pages of this thread are right up there.

 

[singsing]

16-4, 5-2, 12-0 at home.
Winning pretty consistently, IMO.

I've been expecting a game with outstanding shooting, because it seemed to be trending that way. Figures that it would happen at home. I certainly don't expect 14-30 from 3 to be the norm. But 4 previous conference wins were accomplished without high percentage from 3 or number of 3s.

This team can win in a multitude of ways which is nice. You're right in seeing the trend which is a really good sign of things to come. Jones shooting like that hasn't been a 1 game fluke. Gilbert's outside shots looking more comfortable, and if Tre starts hitting??..This team is lethal!

 

[riceville98]

Just got home and SIAP earlier in the thread but can someone explain the free throw situation when Self got the T? Seems like we got shorted 2. My thinking was: 2 for the shot foul, 2 for the flagrant, 2 for the T. But we only got 4 I believe.

I believe the foul was called a common foul and then upgraded to an F1 with video but, it only counts as 1 foul and thus 2 shots. The only thing the upgrade got us was procession of the basketball after the shots and it turns out we would have had that anyway since Bill got a T so....

2 for the foul and 2 for the T =4 and that's what we got plus procession from the F1/T

I believe the sequence was correctly administered and I hope I explained it well

 

[bosco]

16-4, 5-2, 12-0 at home.
Winning pretty consistently, IMO.

I've been expecting a game with outstanding shooting, because it seemed to be trending that way. Figures that it would happen at home. I certainly don't expect 14-30 from 3 to be the norm. But 4 previous conference wins were accomplished without high percentage from 3 or number of 3s.

We have been shooting three's at a lower percentage then expected. We were due for a bump. Glad it happen when it did.

 

[ClonesTwenty1]

But are we winning in the margins?

 

[bosco]

Then what is your point? Good grief; you started off by bragging about how it was time to "piss in everyone's cheerios". You clearly didn't enjoy this win very much, or otherwise you wouldn't keep on going into these inane posts about how it was a flawed victory because because a guy who normally doesn't make a whole lot of three pointers had a career day yesterday?

I've seen a lot of silly and stupid things on this board, but the last few pages of this thread are right up there.

What is silly and stupid is when you're assigning emotions to me. My first line is more of a joke because I knew it would be unpopular. Didn't say it was flawed I pointed out an anomaly and how it impacted the game. You're the ones getting emotional about a metric. When the committee looks at the win they won't give 2 whoops about it and that's what matters.

I look at the numbers and look for why teams win. If ISU continues to shoot well then it doesn't become an anomaly it becomes something to be expected. But at this point in time it's an anomaly.

 

[NWICY]

Everyone enjoy the win? Good because it's time for your morning piss in your Cheerios time.

We shot out of gourds last night. Nearly 50% at high volume. Our average is 36% if we shot out normal average it would be 9pts less which is significant.

I'm not counting that last 3 made by KU since it wasn't contested and the game was already decided. In my mind the margin was 7pts. So on a normal night of shooting the game would have much closer and we probably would been down at the last couple of possessions. We might have still won but odds are we would have lost.

The concerning part is our defense continues to break down in the late stages of games. KU has the best starting 5 offensively in this league and Self makes the best adjustments. So we can't expect our defense to always get stops on teams like that but it's starting to become a trend.

Aside from our out the norm 3pt shooting and an amazing individual performance from King we probably lose this game.

Hmm, you forgot to add back if we would have shot our normal free-throw %. If you do one you should do the other.

 

[bosco]

Hmm, you forgot to add back if we would have shot our normal free-throw %. If you do one you should do the other.

That would be 3 more points but potentially be more because of missing the front end of 1 and 1's.

I prefer not to look at our FT%. I'm just hoping that the sheer volume of FT we take will off set the bad %.

 

[NoCreativity]

I just wanted to point out. Games like yesterday are why I'm glad that stupid SEC challenge died.

This weekend was traditionally when it was held, so instead of a game like yesterday on CBS we probably would have been sent to Starkvile or Columbia in a no win situation.

It alwasy bothered me that the Big 12 was just heating up and then we had this game. It also gives us a very important bye week to get some rest.

 

[ZRF]

That one really hurt the people who bet on ISU. The spread was -4.5.

The guy sitting next to me had money on the cover so he was happy. One of those rare win-win scenarios. Either way (ISU win/loss) at least he won something and it's always easier to stomach a better loss when your team wins.

 

[ZRF]

I didn't tell you do anything.

There is no point in discussing anything with him. Most of his posts are ******** about other people's posts rather than talk about the validity of what's in them. Once he perceives something as negative he melts down and gaslights. So predictable.

 

[ISUChippewa]

What is silly and stupid is when you're assigning emotions to me. My first line is more of a joke because I knew it would be unpopular. Didn't say it was flawed I pointed out an anomaly and how it impacted the game. You're the ones getting emotional about a metric. When the committee looks at the win they won't give 2 whoops about it and that's what matters.

I look at the numbers and look for why teams win. If ISU continues to shoot well then it doesn't become an anomaly it becomes something to be expected. But at this point in time it's an anomaly.

If you knew it was going to be unpopular but decided to make the joke anyway then it's on you for the flak that you knew you were going to take.

And so what if it's anomaly? It's one thing to recognize it, as you do, but it's another thing to keep on harping about it over and over again, as you also do. Good teams find ways to win games in different ways. Personally I'm happy that at this point in the season we've shown we can beat two Top 10 teams by scoring in the 50's (Houston) and the 70's (yesterday).

 

[NoCreativity]

I'm not upset.

You know we are up to #2 now in ADJDE on Torivick. So despite how bad we played on defense this week we actually moved up. It's almost as if we are playing good teams.

 

[ZRF]

But to ask this team to do things out the ordinary every game is not a basis to win consistently. We were supposed to win that game by 7 points. So we shouldn't have had to do anything out of the ordinary to win. It's great that we did but it's a little concerning.

This is the first time I had to pull a madguy30 and look up someone's posts.

I don't know why this board has their panties in a bunch over what you said. I'm elated we won yesterday, even moreso because I went to it (7 hour RT drives are always better after a win), but can readily admit this game was only won because we shot lights out while KU shot poorly. That doesn't make the win less enjoyable but its VALID for it to be a cause for concern that we had pretty poor ball movement and struggled at preventing the first step (on D) in back to back games...at home.

As you said, winning by shooting 30 3s and making nearly half of them is NOT sustainable and now how we will win basketball games. Tre being on fire (and being smart enough to keep shooting) and having ALL of our players who shoot 3s shoot 40% or above (Jones technically didn't but was close) do so in the same game is an improbable combination of events. Over the course of the season those things will happen, on both sides, and we were fortunate to do enough (other things) well to win the game.

I will say that game, shooting aside, is a loss 8-9 out of 10 times it's played given ball movement and individual defensive efforts. With that said, KU was also "lucky" to play as well as they did, on both ends, for an entire game on the road. Unfortunately (for them) they played their best conference game only to lose.

Being honest, if most everything else played out, they made more of their open shots, we didn't, and the shots were closer to season average based on shot quality, I think we lose that game by 10 points. I will also admit that we also shot a VERY high percentage of quality 3s, meaning looks that were open, in rhythm, and of high quality. We rarely take such a high percentage of "good" 3s which likely played a factor in so many going in.

 

[bosco]

If you knew it was going to be unpopular but decided to make the joke anyway then it's on you for the flak that you knew you were going to take.

And so what if it's anomaly? It's one thing to recognize it, as you do, but it's another thing to keep on harping about it over and over again, as you also do. Good teams find ways to win games in different ways. Personally I'm happy that at this point in the season we've shown we can beat two Top 10 teams by scoring in the 50's (Houston) and the 70's (yesterday).

Hehe. I'm not concerned about the flak I take. I find it amusing that a lot of people are upset by it. And that's why I posted it to give a different perspective.

Why do you think people are getting emotional and incorrectly thinking I'm upset that we won when I not once said that I was?

 

[3TrueFans]

I just hope we don't shoot well in any more games this year or we're in real trouble.

 

[CloniesForLife]

If you take all of our good stats and make them bad and then add to all the bad stats of the opponents we've played we would've lost every game. Very concerning

 

[ZRF]

As a team, outside 3 point shot selection (which was excellent), we also took care of the ball extremely well. There were some lazy first half passes that could have been picked off, but our guards (in particular) took very good care of the ball. We had 11 as a team, with 5 coming from King who was a complete numbskull when he got the ball in/near the lane. That alone will win you a lot of games with possessions.

 

[3TrueFans]

If Tre King continues to make more threes than average I think we could be out early in the tournament, hopefully he realizes that.