*** Official #6 IOWA STATE vs #2 Houston Game(Day) Thread ***

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If you haven't already watched Sampson's post game presser, I'd encourage you to do so. Sampson was very complimentary of Iowa State. He's a big fan of TJ and how he coaches his team.

Kelvin Sampson knows ball. He was a great coach at Oklahoma with Najera and Hollis Price before heading off to Indiana and Houston. I think the one thing that you saw last night is that Houston would deliver a blow that would typically knock-out their opponents. The 19-6 run to start the game. The 3's by Shead, Cryer or Sharpe to push the lead to double-digits. And every single time we had a response. It's the mark of a mental tough team and quite frankly last night's performance (albeit a loss) put that Houston team on notice that we are their main competition. Every other team they have played at home wilted when they threw the haymaker. We took 4-5 haymakers and kept getting up. To only be down 5 with the ball at the 6 minute mark is a testament to this team's intestinal fortitude. It's going to be a fun next month.
 

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And there's definitely MUCH more good than bad with Keshon. He's been exactly what we've needed the last few years. I totally get TJ not messing with his aggression. We need him playing free offensively to be at our best. So you take the good with the bad.
Yep, some of his best buckets are taking it into a lot of traffic and willing it into the basket or getting fouled trying. The definition of manufacturing points.
 

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I know we get a favorable whistle at home too but it's no wonder Houston is undefeated at home if that's how they are allowed to play. Never seen a team with such a long leash on pushing, shoving, bodying, and hand-checking.

Their guards with the ball pushed off extremely hard right in front of refs all game, it was weird. Maybe I watch too much nba but they looked like easy foul calls to me (must calls) and our ball handlers were not doing the same.
 
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Yep, some of his best buckets are taking it into a lot of traffic and willing it into the basket or getting fouled trying. The definition of manufacturing points.

Last night he was doing this knowing he’d need to draw 4 or 5 fouls to actually get one called and he did a few times.
 
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Us outrebounding them was very impressive. Making 9 3s and outrebounding that team is a win 98% of the team
We kind of kicked their ass on rebounds for most of the game after the initial rush, which was nice to see. I thought we played well enough to win and just didn't quite make enough good looks / needed a couple more 50/50 balls/calls to go our way.
 

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You know we are tough when there was a play in the second half where Shead was going down the baseline and Gilbert came from the back side to help and he got a gut punch by Shead's shoulder and it knocked him to the ground, of course with no foul called. I was worried Gilbert wasn't going to get up.

On the ensuing out of bounds play Gilbert calmly drained a 3 point shot from in front of our bench. Tough as nails!

Play like we have for the last 3 weeks and we should end up 14-4 in the conference and I am glad I'm going to KC for the tournament this year!
Their bigs love dropping the shoulder into the oncoming defender on screens
 
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Non ISU fans say the same thing about ISU, they hand check, they push, they shove.

Read any board of a team that plays ISU, ISU fouls on every possesion.

Fans seem to never see the fouls that are missed, by their team, but have laser vision when they see a missed call against their team. It's uncanny..

I’d say most of our fans know we caught some breaks against Baylor.

What call did ISU get last night equivalent to the horrific call where nobody even touched the Houston player, he had a very bad unforced turnover, but refs they gifted him 2 FTs. Would love to see this footage you’re claiming exists. Please point out the time of game.
 

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Missed free throws killed momentum last night. Had opportunities to cut to one possession and couldn’t.

The missed push off call on Shead against Lipsey turned it from down 4 with the ball (and one foul closer to double bonus) to down 7.

Rob’s miss to cut it to 6 turned into a transition 3 which made it 11.

Couple of those go our way (some us, some officiating) and who knows what happens.
 

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I’d say most of our fans know we caught some breaks against Baylor.

What call did ISU get last night equivalent to the horrific call where nobody even touched the Houston player, he had a very bad unforced turnover, but refs they gifted him 2 FTs. Would love to see this footage you’re claiming exists. Please point out the time of game.
You remember the elbow Lipsey got away with against KSU late in game should have been a flagarant 1 for sure. That could have turned that game. And yet were people saying what a horrible job by the refs? If not why not?

My point is people have amnesia and only remember a questionable call that goes against them. Never remember calls that go their way.


ISU lost last night cuz they turned the ball over time and again. And several times ended up fouling trying to catch up on D.
 
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Their bigs love dropping the shoulder into the oncoming defender on screens

These along with the foul nobody even touched them on they turned into 2pts were the no doubt blown/bad calls, one was borderline flagrant and no call. Maybe also the one where Lipsey was starting a fast break and got mugged twice with no call then touch foul in ISU next play.

Let’s just live in reality. Houston is great, Shead is great, ISU played really hard…but that was not good officiating and this “it all evened out” is just being weird and silly.
 
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These along with the foul nobody even touched them on they turned into 2pts were the no doubt blown/bad calls, one was borderline flagrant and no call. Maybe also the one where Lipsey was starting a fast break and got mugged twice with no call then touch foul in ISU next play.

Let’s just live in reality. Houston is great, Shead is great, ISU played really hard…but that was not good officiating and this “it all evened out” is just being weird and silly.
I would have at least liked to see a replay of the one where Gilbert drove under the basket and got spun in a 360. That looked worthy of a second look at least.
 
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You remember the elbow Lipsey got away with against KSU late in game should have been a flagarant 1 for sure. That could have turned that game. And yet were people saying what a horrible job by the refs? If not why not?

My point is people have amnesia and only remember a questionable call that goes against them. Never remember calls that go their way.


ISU lost last night cuz they turned the ball over time and again. And several times ended up fouling trying to catch up on D.

Saying over the course of an entire season could be true. Not always in either direction but totally possible.

I thought you were saying it evened out last night which is just pure fantasy land. I’m not saying ISU only lost because of officiating or that ISU was the better team, but it’s simply the truth that the game was very clearly called in Houston’s favor. It just was.
 

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It's tough because you have to zip the ball around to try to get their defense out of position, but they were seemingly everywhere. Had a hard time getting past their initial defender or defenders, and even then, it's not like another guy was open cross court or anything. At times, I do think we forced it just to try to make something happen (which we make other teams do a lot too).
Yeah it's in no way easy. There's a reason that team is the best defense in the country and it's not even close.
 
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Saying over the course of an entire season could be true. Not always in either direction but totally possible.

I thought you were saying it evened out last night which is just pure fantasy land. I’m not saying ISU only lost because of officiating or that ISU was the better team, but it’s simply the truth that the game was very clearly called in Houston’s favor. It just was.
There was a stretch during the game where Houston got called for a few fouls consecutively which made it like 6-1 fouls in our favor, but in the end that didn't matter. They started calling some ticky tack crap on us and it took a ton of contact for them to blow the whistle on them. We got a "favorable" whistle for about 6-8 minutes out of the 40. We got to the bonus and should've been on the line numerous times due to their holding our off ball guys and complete hand checking on our guards.

That's not me blaming the refs either. There were some missed calls they had on us during the stretch we were favored in, but from the 12 minute mark on it was pretty damn bad. Fran mentioned it numerous times.
 

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Missed free throws killed momentum last night. Had opportunities to cut to one possession and couldn’t.

The missed push off call on Shead against Lipsey turned it from down 4 with the ball (and one foul closer to double bonus) to down 7.

Rob’s miss to cut it to 6 turned into a transition 3 which made it 11.

Couple of those go our way (some us, some officiating) and who knows what happens.
On point. We had some chances to make it a one possession game and didn't. Give credit to Houston. They took advantage and made plays.
 

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Saying over the course of an entire season could be true. Not always in either direction but totally possible.

I thought you were saying it evened out last night which is just pure fantasy land. I’m not saying ISU only lost because of officiating or that ISU was the better team, but it’s simply the truth that the game was very clearly called in Houston’s favor. It just was.
Just saying fans a hypocrits, me included.
If you are happy with home cooking you get don't bark too loudly if someone else gets it.

I will see if I can dig up a chart I saw a couplevof weeks ago on Big 12 foul and free throw discrepancy road vs home.

ISU and Houston were 1 and 2 in terms of "getting" calls at home vs road in terms of differential this year. Better than even the Phog if I remember right.
 
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I would have at least liked to see a replay of the one where Gilbert drove under the basket and got spun in a 360. That looked worthy of a second look at least.
That play looked bad in real time. I assume (my opinion) Gilbert might have acted just a touch to get that call.

Given the early officiating I think we had to make normal whistles look like flagrant fouls to get the call.
 
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Just saying fans a hypocrits, me included.
If you are happy with home cooking you get don't bark too loudly if someone else gets it.

I will see if I can dig up a chart I saw a couplevof weeks ago on Big 12 foul and free throw discrepancy road vs home.

ISU and Houston were 1 and 2 in terms of "getting" calls at home vs road in terms of differential this year. Better than even the Phog if I remember right.

I’ll say the officiating wasn’t anything like the worst we’ve seen against KU, although some of those worst examples are getting to be many years ago. ISU definitely could have still won in spite of it, which is something. They hit some timely 3s which is the best and smartest thing that can be done if a team is getting touch fouls while the other team is allowed tackles and moving hockey screens.
 
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