The amount of butthurt from countless people about
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I’m a bit surprised Davis is this vocal that he doesn’t see ‘gaming’ at all. You should read his tweets on this and the responses (for a laugh)
And next year when Arizona comes in it will only increase this. Arizona > OuT
Clemson's coach Brownell: “People forget Virginia Tech beat Iowa State in a nonconference game pretty handedly down in Orlando. Iowa State’s second in the Big 12. "
Also Clemson:
It's almost like we were playing an early non-con neutral-location game while missing one of our bigs due to injury or something.
I want to meet them in the tourney and pound them flat.
Also Clemson:
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It's almost like we were playing an early non-con neutral-location game while missing one of our bigs due to injury or something.
I want to meet them in the tourney and pound them flat.
The Big 12 just needs to show up in March and shut everyone up.
Precisely. Perfect storm this year with a weaker MTE in Orlando, drawing DePaul, and Iowa being down.
I hope our fans complaining about the schedule in December get used to it. There is no reason to schedule any differently next year...
-Move to 20 league games
-Maui competition will be ELITE
-Iowa on the road
-Better Big East opponent coming to Hilton (assuming that Big 12/Big East series continues)
Not much incentive to making what pretty much guarantees to be a Top 15 SOS overall any tougher.
It's really not worth the risk to schedule a decent MVC team for example over beating up on a low major you're favored by 20+ over. You won't get any credit for beating the decent Missouri State team anyways.
Clemson's coach Brownell: “People forget Virginia Tech beat Iowa State in a nonconference game pretty handedly down in Orlando. Iowa State’s second in the Big 12. "
Also Clemson:
Wed, Jan 10 @ L87-72 11-4 (1-3)
It's almost like we were playing an early non-con neutral-location game while missing one of our bigs due to injury or something.
I want to meet them in the tourney and pound them flat.
The non con SOS argument only works for schools like Gonzaga. They HAVE to play a loaded slate in November and December because they essentially get 2 months off before the tournament starts.
Clemson's coach Brownell: “People forget Virginia Tech beat Iowa State in a nonconference game pretty handedly down in Orlando. Iowa State’s second in the Big 12. "
Also Clemson:
Wed, Jan 10 @ L87-72 11-4 (1-3)
Coach with two Q3 losses in conference play using the "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain" strategy.
This.
The line in the sand has been drawn and it’s pretty easy to see more than ever. ESPN will go to bat for the SEC and Fox will go to bat for the Big 10. If you aren’t one of them just feel lucky to be included.
And how DARE the truck stop conference be considered the best. Need to put a hard stop on that.
This is absolutely spot on. I know that I would love to play some bigger names, I would love to get some home and homes but I think there a lot of teams that are just scared to come to Hilton.
Exactly. This isn't the same as scheduling a cupcake game late in the season to game the polls.
That's right - in actuality what these dimwits see as "gaming" has actually hurt the Big 12, and ISU in particular. It takes huge hit by playing teams in the 300s, when you would have the same record playing against teams in the 150-250 range, yet your SOS would skyrocket.
The only real "gaming" is something most teams, particularly guys like Mad Fran have known. Blow the bad teams out. Don't wave the white flag when you're getting smoked, and if you know you're going to lose but it's reasonably close, don't foul to extend or jack up threes, play it straight up and get to the easy 2s the defense is conceding.
Margin matters.
Hell - if I was going to say the way to truly "game" the NET, it would be try to schedule as many road games against bubblish type teams as you can. It looks like this year the NET and the initial bracket reveal suggest that Q1b and Q2 are a great way to make a living.
Big 12 has absolutely not "gamed" the system. It's just really ******* good. It's performance against non-con P6 prove it.
The idea that people that work on ESPN know more about sports than a random guy you'd hit if you threw a lawn dart in a crowd is laughable. It's a company full of complete ******* idiots.
can we please just go back to 'experts' using the 'eye tests'. that is better for the privileged P2 schools. **** off.
What’s harder? Beating a team by 30-40 when you are favored by 18 or beating a team by 15 when you are favored by 7?
Coach Brownell should contact Pollard and see if he can get a game scheduled in Ames next year.Clemson's coach Brownell: “People forget Virginia Tech beat Iowa State in a nonconference game pretty handedly down in Orlando. Iowa State’s second in the Big 12. "
Also Clemson:
Wed, Jan 10 @ L87-72 11-4 (1-3)
It's almost like we were playing an early non-con neutral-location game while missing one of our bigs due to injury or something.
I want to meet them in the tourney and pound them flat.
It is absolutely true that many Big 12 teams scheduled super soft in the non-conference; there is no disputing that. Iowa State (331 in NET NCSOS), BYU (301), Cincinnati (318), TCU (323), Texas Tech (307, Oklahoma (281). These teams all did it.
But what's weird to me is how Iowa State has become the "lightning rod" team of this topic, because once you remove those Q3 and Q4 games and just look at performance in Q1+Q2 games, Iowa State's performance still looks great. It's the other Big 12 teams that perform worse.
Here is the Big 12 efficiency profiles at Torvik in Q1+Q2 games.
Here's how Big 12 teams ranking at Torvik changes from performance in all games to performance in just Q1+Q2 games:
But what's weird to me is how Iowa State has become the "lightning rod" team of this topic, because once you remove those Q3 and Q4 games and just look at performance in Q1+Q2 games, Iowa State's performance still looks great. It's the other Big 12 teams that perform worse.
Here is the Big 12 efficiency profiles at Torvik in Q1+Q2 games.
Here's how Big 12 teams ranking at Torvik changes from performance in all games to performance in just Q1+Q2 games:
- Houston: #1 --> #1
- Iowa State: #7 --> #9
- Kansas: #9 --> #11
- Baylor: #15 --> #20
- BYU: #17 --> #31
- Texas: #23 --> #35
- TCU: #34 --> #43
- Oklahoma: #40 --> #36
- Texas Tech: #39 --> #57
- Cincinnati: #48 --> #51
- Kansas State: #64 --> #53
- UCF: #67 --> #87
- Oklahoma State: #94 --> #99
- West Virginia: #129 --> #133
I can't wait when these crybabies try to game the system and it backfires because their conference is ****.
I will say I think we gamed the system a little bit. But not for the reason of gaming the system. We did it because the staff knew we were going to need some time to mesh and build some confidence. Going out and getting our teeth kicked in was not going to do this team any favors.
