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Jayshellberg

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I haven't done a full update today, but I will tomorrow. As of right now, I'd still have Kansas ahead of Kentucky.
  • KPI/SOR Avg: Kansas 11.5, Kentucky 16.5
  • Kenpom/BPI Avg: Kansas 20, Kentucky 18.5
  • Q1A Wins: Kansas 5, Kentucky 5
  • Q1+Q2 Wins: Kansas 13, Kentucky 8
  • Kansas SOS and NCSOS are harder than Kentucky (1/34 vs. 55/168)
What could hurt Kansas is they're now under .500 in Q1 at 7-9 while Kentucky is 6-5. If Kentucky gets a couple more Q1 wins, they could/will pass KU.
Just curious, do any of the metrics take into account loses to bad teams? Obviously, teams get a lot of credit for wins against Q1 teams. However, do teams get penalized for bad loses. KU seams to have a lot of those, but it doesn’t matter.
 

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Just curious, do any of the metrics take into account loses to bad teams? Obviously, teams get a lot of credit for wins against Q1 teams. However, do teams get penalized for bad loses. KU seams to have a lot of those, but it doesn’t matter.

KPI and SOR are resume metrics that take both your wins and your losses into account.

As far as the quad system, Kansas and Kentucky both have one Q3 loss. Kansas lost at West Virginia; Kentucky lost at home to UNC-Wilmington. You could debate which is worse, but I think the “Kansas has bad losses” argument has been exaggerated. Losing at UCF is not a bad loss. Kansas is just starting to accumulate too many losses in general.
 

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KPI and SOR are resume metrics that take both your wins and your losses into account.

As far as the quad system, Kansas and Kentucky both have one Q3 loss. Kansas lost at West Virginia; Kentucky lost at home to UNC-Wilmington. You could debate which is worse, but I think the “Kansas has bad losses” argument has been exaggerated. Losing at UCF is not a bad loss. Kansas is just starting to accumulate too many losses in general.
Just looked at the NET rankings. You’re correct. KU doesn’t have a lot of bad losses, but a quite of few loses in general (10) to have an argument for a top 12 seed, IMO. KU is 7-9 on Q1 games and 6-0 in Q2 games. Three teams who I feel should be seeded higher are Kentucky, Duke, and Illinois. All have won at least half of their Q1 games and have higher NET rankings.

I guess we will know Sunday where the committee seeds KU. My fear is that they will KU a “3” seed and place them Omaha with ISU.
 

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Just looked at the NET rankings. You’re correct. KU doesn’t have a lot of bad losses, but a quite of few loses in general (10) to have an argument for a top 12 seed, IMO. KU is 7-9 on Q1 games and 6-0 in Q2 games. Three teams who I feel should be seeded higher are Kentucky, Duke, and Illinois. All have won at least half of their Q1 games and have higher NET rankings.

I guess we will know Sunday where the committee seeds KU. My fear is that they will KU a “3” seed and place them Omaha with ISU.
They remind me of 2016 ISU, the losses piled up but they were all good losses. We were 21-11 10-8 after a 1st round big 12 exit and got a 4 seed. I really think Kansas will fall to the 4 line too.
 

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Just looked at the NET rankings. You’re correct. KU doesn’t have a lot of bad losses, but a quite of few loses in general (10) to have an argument for a top 12 seed, IMO. KU is 7-9 on Q1 games and 6-0 in Q2 games. Three teams who I feel should be seeded higher are Kentucky, Duke, and Illinois. All have won at least half of their Q1 games and have higher NET rankings.

I guess we will know Sunday where the committee seeds KU. My fear is that they will KU a “3” seed and place them Omaha with ISU.
I see no chance KU gets a 3. Most likely a 4. Could be a 5.
 

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Who are we competing with for the two seeds? Not sure why Lunardu moved us down with a loss at KSU then back up after beating them.
 

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Who are we competing with for the two seeds? Not sure why Lunardu moved us down with a loss at KSU then back up after beating them.
He moved Creighton to the two line. Moved us up back to the two Creighton back to the 3. Baylor or us 2 or 3 seed but I think both in Omaha.
 
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Who are we competing with for the two seeds? Not sure why Lunardu moved us down with a loss at KSU then back up after beating them.
Bracket Matrix has us as the last 2 seed with Creighton, Baylor, Duke and Kentucky behind us (UNC, Marquette and Arizona are also 2 seeds). Presumably before today's events.
 
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