Omaha enters the transfer portal (confirmed)

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Homan is the all time blocks leader at ISU. Im not sure he was the defensive slouch you make him out to be. Also 13 PPG as a senior meant he was pretty involved in the offense. He also average 36 minutes a game so he went the whole time.

He gambled a lot to get those blocks and was out of position frequently when he didn’t block the shot
 

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Back to Omaha, this probably sounds weird, but I wish schools had JV or freshman basketball teams. It's just frustrating that the only options are to play young guys in games against the highest level of competition or not play them at all.
It would have been interesting to see if Omaha could grow as a player at a lower level this year while still being in TJ's system. Plus it would be fun as a fan to get to see the redshirt guys and some of the walk-ons get real competitive time on the court.
 

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This just isn’t worth getting upset over. The vast majority of freshmen will be roster fillers from now on. You have to be a special player to come in and compete against teams of guys 3-4 years older than you. And that’s what major college basketball is now. So you just don’t have the luxury of hoping a guy develops. You need guys that can contribute now to be competitive.

And every time Omaha got on the floor this year he looked miles away from being able to compete at a high level. That’s not to say it’ll never happen. But it sure looked to be a few years away.
And it has been magnified that last few years with so many players getting the fifth COVID year of play. There has been a back log of players - like 25% more than usual - competing against incoming freshmen.
 
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I'm just frustrated that Omaha didn't get more mins in non con. There were SEVERAL threads, even from CW, expecting him to get a lot of run in the games right before conference play and he just didn't get any mins. Even when we were winning by 45 points. I'll never understand why he wasn't more utilized to try and get him up to speed. His athletic ability and length on defense could have REALLY helped on a guy like Hawkins for Illinois who torched BRE consistently.
I guess I never saw a single minute of Omaha's play that suggested he would be a better defender this year in ANY situation. And I don't say that to be mean, but Rob worked very hard to be a good defender and he succeeded.
 
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If I'm a p6 coach, I'd want to limit my high school recruiting to 1 or 2 kids every year, maybe 3 to gamble on kids with the right measurables. Fill everything else up through the portal. Spend resources casting a wide net during high school recruiting to build strong relationships with the kids you'll be targeting later.

In the nil era, staying old will be the goal. Experience> potential every time. We have a staff that should thrive in this environment.
But at the same time teams are getting dinged (e.g. Iowa State) for their non-con. It is difficult to be your best in the non-con when you are putting together an entirely brand new team every year. Having a few long time players can provide the backbone to a team so the growing pains aren't as pronounced. I think if this year's team didn't have both Tamin and Rob (and to a lesser extent Tre and Hasson) they might have started off the season even rougher than they did. I think there is still value to having a few 4 year players to hold things together even in this transfer heavy age.
 
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I think the whole Omaha saga is as much an indictment of the quality of Iowa HS basketball as much as anything else. Yeah, Omaha looked like a 5-star in HS because he's in Waukee, IA playing 2A Iowa boys BB teams. Put him in the Chicago Public League and you'd never even have heard from him. He'd probably still get 3 stars because of his raw athleticism, but no way Omaha dominates Proviso East like he dominates Decorah HS.

Omaha did really well on the AAU circuit nationally. He was a freaking MCD AA and played on the U19 national team. Waukee isn't 2A anyway. What are you talking about?
 

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Back to Omaha, this probably sounds weird, but I wish schools had JV or freshman basketball teams. It's just frustrating that the only options are to play young guys in games against the highest level of competition or not play them at all.
It would have been interesting to see if Omaha could grow as a player at a lower level this year while still being in TJ's system. Plus it would be fun as a fan to get to see the redshirt guys and some of the walk-ons get real competitive time on the court.
And...
 

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I’m sure this is just confirmation bias but it feels like every “big” recruit Iowa State ever gets doesn’t pan out. Foster and Omaha on the basketball side. Joe Scates, Greg Gaines, Dekkers (lol) on the football side.
Wasn't Allen Lazard a big recruit? Setting receiving records at Iowa State would constitute "panning out" in my book.
 
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I don't know...there might be some truth or half truth here.

Look at how all of Fran's kids have been labeled as some massive game changer at some point, Connor should have been D2 at best and PMac is a role player or mid major player. I lived in Chicago and saw the local highlights for 15 years, players like Candice Parker and Derek Rose. I'm 100% sure nobody would have labeled any of Fran's kids as top D1 prospects playing against that competition.


Iowa High School basketball may not have the quantity of athletic players as Chicago, but there is some really solid basketball played and coached in Iowa. In all classes. A lot of really good D1 players have come from Iowa. You mention Candice Parker and Derek Rose? How about Harrison Barnes and Caitlyn Clark? Tamin Lipsey and Audi Crooks? Sure Chicago has a longer list of stars, but Iowa's list isn't small. Not bad for a state of 3 million people.
 
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Anything not trying to make him a 5
Does Watson play the 5? Because that was how he got his playing time at the end of the year - Watson was out with an injury and he got his minutes.

No, to answer my question, Watson doesn't play the 5. He was being asked to play the 4 which is completely appropriate.
 

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If I remember correctly a player for Kansas the same year or the year after had the same circumstances (barely play for pay in a foreign country) and was allowed in. Maybe I'm mis-remembering, but I seem to remember that being the case.

EDIT. And yes, I WAS trying to go for the record for the most times the word remember could be stuffed into two sentences. Thank you very much.
I don't remember if it was Kansas (there's that word again) but he did have a teammate on that Australian team who was granted NCAA eligibililty while his was denied. If I recall correctly neither of them were paid but were on a team where others were paid which was against NCAA rules. It was never clear why the NCAA ruled differently on them, but we all have our suspicions it had to do with the US teams they were going to...
 
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That's because programs like theirs can get the top high school recruits based on reputation. Iowa State can't compete in that arena.
Of course when the playing field is leveled, coaches like those will cry about it
It wasn't just reputation that was getting Self recruits. That is without a doubt proven. Of course Kansas was "the victim" of all of that Adidas money going to Kansas recruits to make sure they became Kansas players.
 

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Athletically Omaha was everything a basketball coach could want, tall, great build, long arms and could run the floor, he looked the part of a 5-star player.
The problem was he had horrible hands, could not finish with the ball, whether it was nerves or just lack of development, he just was not a good BB player. Now can he get there, I think at best he is a more athletic version of Big Rob, who frustrated all of us with balls bouncing off his hands and lack of post moves and being able to finish.

Good luck Omaha wherever you land up, but as an ISU fan, we are really not missing a lot.
Melvin Ejim had TERRIBLE hands as a freshman. He kind of worked out...
 

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I think the whole Omaha saga is as much an indictment of the quality of Iowa HS basketball as much as anything else. Yeah, Omaha looked like a 5-star in HS because he's in Waukee, IA playing 2A Iowa boys BB teams. Put him in the Chicago Public League and you'd never even have heard from him. He'd probably still get 3 stars because of his raw athleticism, but no way Omaha dominates Proviso East like he dominates Decorah HS.
Well we found the guy who doesn’t know much about Iowa geography and Iowa high school basketball. He’ll, Omaha’s high school had 4 D1 players on it alone.
 

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