When do you think you will buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?
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The relevant or more telling stat would be EV vehicles replaced by ICE vehicles. Throwing in that 2nd vehicle basically invalidates the “study” altogether.
I don’t think it’s totally useless information in context. 1 stat would be replacing their EV with another EV or ice.
What they do with a second vehicle is also interesting, but should be documented separately. Apparently Tesla owners are impressed enough with EV 1 to get an Ev 2 if they have a second car.
My next car may not be another Tesla, but it will definitely be another EV. It's the little things like no oil changes, not waiting in line for gas, no getting gas in the rain or cold, time it takes to warm an ice vehicle up in the winter, believe it or not the transmissions in ice cars shifting kind of annoy me now (unless its a manual trans), no noise when driving around in town with the windows down, etc. It sounds stupid, but you get kind of accustomed to these things.
Pre cybertruck that’s even more impressive/peculiar because a car for snow/off-road adventures is kind of the weak point of their lineup. Even if a Tesla 3/S/Y/X was my fav car in history my second car would be more off-road capable. You could also add third row seating in the same way for the people w huge families, they still don’t really have that where some other makers are getting there.
I grew to hate gears shifting while I had a phev…wanted to always be in electric drive.
I think there is just too many factors/variables the ‘2nd vehicle’ that it makes the study perhaps not useless, but severely diluted at best.
I will use myself as an anecdote. We have 2 cars, one being a ICE fleet company vehicle. My next company vehicle will be ICE unless there are affordable (read: cheap and available) EV with double the current available range. Because of this I would fall into the ‘go back to ICE’ category. Yes, this is a somewhat unique situation, but there are tons of other unique situations that this would apply. Not to mention half ton trucks where electric options are limited at best.
Couldnt link the article but this weeks Economist cover is "Dawn of the Solar Age". Highly recommend if you have a chance. Some highlights:
Installed solar is doubling every 3 years, which is 10x every 10 years. By mid 2030s it will supply most all electricity and by 2040s might supply most total energy needs. Normally its hard to maintain exponential growth, but China is making so many panels it appears it can continue at this rate for some time.
And it keeps getting cheaper. Mfr costs go lower with scale, and sunshine continues to be free. This will make some techs work that currently dont make sense (fuel cells e.g.).
Really just need better smaller battery tech, and obviously lots being done on that too.
Exciting times.
Installed solar is doubling every 3 years, which is 10x every 10 years. By mid 2030s it will supply most all electricity and by 2040s might supply most total energy needs. Normally its hard to maintain exponential growth, but China is making so many panels it appears it can continue at this rate for some time.
And it keeps getting cheaper. Mfr costs go lower with scale, and sunshine continues to be free. This will make some techs work that currently dont make sense (fuel cells e.g.).
Really just need better smaller battery tech, and obviously lots being done on that too.
Exciting times.
I’d love utilities to shift to being basically energy storage huge battery systems which would likely be cheaper to operate and maintain than every house having their own.
Solar panels are also increasingly efficient which is driving some of the cost savings.
I’m looking at a model Y in 2 years and solar panels at the same time. I can’t wait.
Solar and battery storage absolutely is exciting, and I can't believe there are normal everyday people against solar.
Environmentalist should like it, people that want to be self sufficient and not rely on utility providers should like it, and people wanting to stick it to the government should like it.
I honestly believe we will see fusion reactors in my lifetime as well .
I think cost and early troubles in the tech were where they got their opinion. I would love to do solar on the back of our house that gets a shload of sun but that cost up front is prohibitive a bit for me currently. Neighbors across the street did it so now I want to see how theirs go. Success might move me.
So I made it back from my road trip last night a little after 10. Made the trip in a standard range Lightning XLT. The truck itself is pretty good. Not super eventful but getting a charge for the return trip was a bit of a struggle and I had a little range anxiety getting back to get back to Iowa City. I was trying to give myself 30-40 miles of buffer for the estimated range and that worked out pretty well for the most part but as soon as I unplugged to start back north the estimated range when I unplugged lost like 30 miles before I got out on the highway which kind of freaked me out a little because I went from 40 miles extra to 10 and I wasn't so sure about that. It creeped back up as I went and I had about 30 miles of range when I pulled into the charging station.
Getting charged in the shed was a problem. Like I feared there was a 50 amp plug there but it had a 30 amp breaker on it. It charged for less than an hour before tripping the breaker but I didn't realize it. I was lucky I had a Juice charger along with the Ford included charging cable because I could set that to pull under 30 amps to keep the breaker from tripping. While that wasn't ideal it was working while I went and dug through the old mans stash of stuff from when he ran a sawmill and found a 50 amp breaker after a couple hours so I was able to get a full 40 amps out of the charger after that. I was hoping to leave with about 80% SOC so I wouldn't have to sit at a charger for too long on the way back but I had to double my time there because I didn't want to get home at midnight. Once everything was rolling it was no problem. I didn't have a NACS adapter otherwise I would have probably stopped to charge in Mt Pleasant to top off on both legs of the trip. Overall it wasn't too bad of an experience, not sure I'm ready to make the jump to a BEV yet, especially since I just bought a new truck in February but I think that truck would be perfect for about 360 days out of the year for me.
Thanks for the update. I'm not a truck guy but I'd like to try one of these out. Like you said, for a lot of people, this would only be a concern a few days a year, while people that are traveling sales people in rural Iowa, they would make no sense.
I've seen undersized wiring many, many times.I hope the wiring can handle 50A!
Only argument I can see against solar is that ChIna has quickly become the global supplier. It feels like we’re just replacing being dependent on OPEC to China.
But I guess we’ll see how we can catch up with technological advances and geological finds to get some of the materials needed domestically.
I've never driven a Ford EV, how was the driving experience compared to an ICE f-150? One pedal driving? When I go from my wife's Tesla to my vehicle, it feels like a step back in time. Like going from a hard drive to SSD. It's not even the technology, it's the electric power train.
On the interior it looks and feels like an ICE F150. It is an XLT not the Lariat package so the screen is the same one in the ICE trucks, the upper trim levels get a giant ipad touch screen.
I didn't use the one pedal driving on this trip, not sure I would have noticed anything with it anyway since all but the last 2-3 miles were with the cruise control set. I've used it with this truck before and I really disliked it.
The whole building was wired with 10-3 romex for everything 240v and 120v. Finding an outlet that isn't 3-phase was the hard part.I hope the wiring can handle 50A!
I get why you might think that (China vs OPEC) but the tech isn't that complicated really. Their advantage is marginal cost from experience and especially scale, both of which can be duplicated here if we so desired. And the raw materials are basically sand and sunshine. So they can't really just jack up prices and hold the world hostage like OPEC tries to. They don't own the sun, at least not yet. WRT the rare earths metals, those are much more of an issue for battery tech as opposed to the panels.
Panels were (are?) made here, they were just more expensive due to labor and land costs initially, and then China subsidized the crap out of their panel industry which made it world leading. When I first started looking at solar for the house (~2020) you could get US made panels, but they were more expensive (30%? 50%? idr really). And the US manufacturers were moving production to Vietnam since it was cheaper there. Then the Vietnamese producers were starting to buy panels from China because THEY were cheaper lol.
8 gauge minimum for 50A of all wire types, and most likely 6 gauge minimum if it’s Romex type… (60C)
