When do you think you will buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?

[DSMCy]

I'm not trying to sell you on the truck because I understand your concerns but I will keep passing on the results I have been getting. In the 15 miles I've driven this morning I've been at 2.35 mi/kWh but I haven't had the ac on. That doesn't use as much power as the heat. There are days in the winter that the range will probably be 1/3 less.

My wife's chevy bolt is averaging 3.6 mi/kWh to the 2 I have seen so far in the lightning. Her car weighs around 3500 lbs while the truck is over 6000 lbs, so it's still about moving mass.

I do like the frunk and having a 240v outlet that I can plug my welder into will come in handy.

Had too much down time over the 4th and might have talked myself back into the Lightning haha



Did you install the Ford Charge Station Pro, or how do you charge at home?

I already have a 240v outlet in my garage but not sure if I can just plug directly into that, or if I need the hardwired Charge Station.
I also wanted to see if the Tesla Universal Charge Station works. Seems like those are about half the price of the Ford Charge Station.

Then I was also wondering about the Home Backup. Does it really cost ~$15,000 to have this installed/enabled??
For that price I'll just run extension cords throughout my house.

 

[HFCS]

Had too much down time over the 4th and might have talked myself back into the Lightning haha



Did you install the Ford Charge Station Pro, or how do you charge at home?

I already have a 240v outlet in my garage but not sure if I can just plug directly into that, or if I need the hardwired Charge Station.
I also wanted to see if the Tesla Universal Charge Station works. Seems like those are about half the price of the Ford Charge Station.

Then I was also wondering about the Home Backup. Does it really cost ~$15,000 to have this installed/enabled??
For that price I'll just run extension cords throughout my house.

My friend installed his own 240v outlet recently in garage and his rational was that he wanted to use it for other projects sometimes, not just car charging. Seems to make sense for him as a guy who is practically a contractor he does so many projects. He installed the system himself where his car can backup the house too, he did say that project was surprisingly expensive. I suspect he wanted to do it in spite of cost because he's just an engineer who loves doing that sort of thing.

 

[CascadeClone]

You call 30% 'massively'? Massively, by my book, would be twice the age. Furthermore, you didn't include the cost of maintenance relative to the value of the vehicle. You'll find that $5k per blue book value, is 'massively' expensive.

My dad's first car was a 1958 Chevy. He bought it in 1964, with ~50k miles (might have paid $50 iirc). At that time, 5 years was about the max expected lifespan. He got ~2 years out of it I think. One of his hs buddies drew a picture of it with the caption "Refugee from a Junk Yard"

When I was in hs (1990) the life standard was about 100k miles and maybe 10 years. Cars would get better than that, to be sure, but you had to really treat them right. 100k miles was Dad's goal, after that it was "gravy".

My current vehicles are:
2006 with 198k miles
2005 with 100k miles (convertible - low usage)
2006 with ~350k miles (odometer stopped at 299,999) that my daughter drives
And the first 2 are the kings of reliability - Jaguar!

I think the expectation nowadays is a car ought to last 20 years and go for 200k miles. At least that is what I'd expect.

So I would say that the average life expectancy for cars has doubled from 1960>1990 and doubled again from 1990 > 2020. In terms of "life expectancy" of new cars, I would say it is massively improved.

The 30% you mention (from a website you didn't select, in fairness) includes all the new cars being born today - so that average is skewed to include all those, and a lot less of the older short lived ones that are already gone. It's like the average age of people, vs their life expectancy when born.

 

[mramseyISU]

Had too much down time over the 4th and might have talked myself back into the Lightning haha



Did you install the Ford Charge Station Pro, or how do you charge at home?

I already have a 240v outlet in my garage but not sure if I can just plug directly into that, or if I need the hardwired Charge Station.
I also wanted to see if the Tesla Universal Charge Station works. Seems like those are about half the price of the Ford Charge Station.

Then I was also wondering about the Home Backup. Does it really cost ~$15,000 to have this installed/enabled??
For that price I'll just run extension cords throughout my house.

I would recommend getting a 240V 50A circuit into your garage if you can for the Lightning. A 30A circuit is fine but I don't know if you can use the included Ford charging cable with it. The home back-up thing I think you can use the 240V plug in the bed like you would a gas generator.

I don't know if you use reddit much at all but r/F150Lightning/ is a really good source of info from people who actually own them.

 

[RedlineSi]

So, you're saying the cost to charge an EV will provide massive savings? I've read nothing but the opposite.

I pay $3.20 to fill my "tank" on my Rivian at home.

Can you do that in your ICE car?

 

[3TrueFans]

I pay $3.20 to fill my "tank" on my Rivian at home.

Can you do that in your ICE car?

What kind of premium did you pay for that compared to an ICE midsize truck though?

 

[RedlineSi]

What kind of premium did you pay for that compared to an ICE midsize truck though?

Premium for what?

If I didn't own my Rivian, I'd have something like a Range Rover Sport or and X5 so the cost of the car is irrelevant for me.

 

[BCClone]

Yeah, saw my first one driving up I-35. I thought Mrs. Velo was going to throw up...

Saw my first on the fourth. It was very fugly.

 

[MeowingCows]

What kind of premium did you pay for that compared to an ICE midsize truck though?

If you're buying a 6-figure vehicle, do you really care about fill-up cost?

 

[RedlineSi]

If you're buying a 6-figure vehicle, do you really care about fill-up cost?

I mean...its nice to wake up to it ready to go each morning

Also, you don't have to buy a 6 figure vehicle to get the same deal as me for charging your EV. You can pay the same $.028 per kwh as I do with Xcel on their program.

 

[3TrueFans]

Premium for what?

If I didn't own my Rivian, I'd have something like a Range Rover Sport or and X5 so the cost of the car is irrelevant for me.

Point is you pay a premium for electric that would eat into fuel savings, an iX is $20k more than an x5 for instance. Maybe less with rivian since they’re losing tons of money.

If you're buying a 6-figure vehicle, do you really care about fill-up cost?

Tangent to my point, people spending $100k on a vehicle and then being like “I save so much on gas!” Just seems funny.

 

[casey1973]

Never in my lifetime. Next question.

 

[Clonehomer]

Point is you pay a premium for electric that would eat into fuel savings, an iX is $20k more than an x5 for instance. Maybe less with rivian since they’re losing tons of money.


Tangent to my point, people spending $100k on a vehicle and then being like “I save so much on gas!” Just seems funny.

It sounded funny to my wife as well when I suggested I buy a Taycan for the fuel savings. But it wasn’t the haha kind of funny. It was more the why the hell are you wasting my time with this ridiculous suggestion type of funny.

 

[RedlineSi]

Point is you pay a premium for electric that would eat into fuel savings, an iX is $20k more than an x5 for instance. Maybe less with rivian since they’re losing tons of money.


Tangent to my point, people spending $100k on a vehicle and then being like “I save so much on gas!” Just seems funny.

You’re not understanding the point…at all.

 

[BCClone]

Where I work, we sell electric lawn mowers. Just got a notice that 2 models of the black and yellow ones are now listed as a DO NOT sell. Not sure what happened. So if you have a black and yellow one , maybe ask the place you bought it from, if there is a recall on yours.

I just bought an electric trimmer. I’m POd at it. 3 charges to do 75% of what I normally did on a 1.5 fills of gas. 1 hour to charge the battery.

 

[3TrueFans]

You’re not understanding the point…at all.

Are electric vehicles not more expensive than their ice equivalents? I said maybe not in your case since rivian isn’t worried about making money, but for most car brands.

 

[dmclone]

Are electric vehicles not more expensive than their ice equivalents? I said maybe not in your case since rivian isn’t worried about making money, but for most car brands.

In most cases, there is no "ice equivalent" to an EV. A Tesla Model 3 performance costs $55k but has acceleration like a $100k sports car, has the interior of a $40k sedan, and the technology of a $100k luxury sedan.

 

[RedlineSi]

Are electric vehicles not more expensive than their ice equivalents? I said maybe not in your case since rivian isn’t worried about making money, but for most car brands.

Rivian is going to turn a profit well before Tesla did.

You’re clearly not one that understands how 1. Start ups work, 2. How ******* hard it is to make a car.

A Model 3 can be had dirt cheap and be filled with power for $.028 cents a kWh.

I was an early reservation holder with Rivian, so my R1S was $78k. Current build is over $100k. So yes, I made out well. With that said an R1S competes against Range Rovers, Jeep Grand Wagoneers, X5, etc so it’s priced right.

 

[FLYINGCYCLONE]

My friend installed his own 240v outlet recently in garage and his rational was that he wanted to use it for other projects sometimes, not just car charging. Seems to make sense for him as a guy who is practically a contractor he does so many projects. He installed the system himself where his car can backup the house too, he did say that project was surprisingly expensive. I suspect he wanted to do it in spite of cost because he's just an engineer who loves doing that sort of thing.

You might want to talk to your electricity provider. If you put juice to your house you probably should shut of your house from juice going off your property. If your area looses electricity and you put juice on the system somebody could get hurt.

 

[HFCS]

Rivian is going to turn a profit well before Tesla did.

You’re clearly not one that understands how 1. Start ups work, 2. How ******* hard it is to make a car.

A Model 3 can be had dirt cheap and be filled with power for $.028 cents a kWh.

I was an early reservation holder with Rivian, so my R1S was $78k. Current build is over $100k. So yes, I made out well. With that said an R1S competes against Range Rovers, Jeep Grand Wagoneers, X5, etc so it’s priced right.

The same thing happened early on when Model S was Tesla's lone offering.

"It's more expensive than my Camry" was pretty much the knock on it when it really wasn't more expensive than the BMWs, Lexus and Mercedes it was competing with. Model S was always comparable to those cars even with no tax credit, and with fuel savings depending on where you live it has been cheaper for many years.