I came up with 15 years of historical data and the results are EXACTLY what you would expect. THIS is the REAL story.
ISU drops in US News ranking this year
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Found it. I should have been more clear before...I don't know how big of a trend this is, but with a college-bound kid myself (and all the attendant research) I've definitely seen people talk about it. And this is a well-regarded higher ed reporter so if he's reporting on it, there's probably something to it.
This story uses the term "undermatching" which I think originated with the phenomenon of lower-income but highly qualified students shying away from elite colleges they're qualified for, out of fear they can't pay for it or lack of information or support. So they settle for a lesser institution or community college. That has been a concerning trend for higher ed folks for years, but I guess that term is now also used for people who do it strategically for a better price.
The New Trick Families Are Using to Lower College Tuition Bills
Many schools are eager for paying students, and ready to offer deals — even to higher-income applicants.
nymag.com
A couple of great points.
Yes, I made a lame attempt to state the impact Harvard grads have in the big corporate arena. But, they're failing there too. And, arguably, at a much greater level because of the sheer magnitude of losses.
Another good point is the stock value relative to earnings. That's in large part due to the IPO restrictions being lifted and was the most significant factor in both the growth leading up to and the fall of the market in 2001. Since the IPO requirement change, 'marketing' plays a much more significant role in the value of stocks. Albeit, IMO, completely fabricated and artificial. Nevertheless, because stock value is so high, they can justify more debt. If you look at the largest corporations, they're carrying an astronomical amount of debt. I feel this is Pandora's box if the market goes south. Sadly, other assets have also developed a 'debt' model; all to the benefit of those three corporations I mentioned earlier. IMO, investing was much easier when you could see a balance sheet and know whether a company is making enough money to justify their growth or not. Now, it's a more ambiguous psychological element to the 'perceived' value of a company. So much more risk involved, but a risk institutional investors can 'control'. We live in a very scary world on so many levels.
Engineering, College of Ag and Life Sciences, and Business are all doing very well.....LAS is struggling
Yeah Ivy College of Business keeps moving UP in the rankings. It seems that other departments are dragging the rankings down. (Proud Ivy College of Business Grad)
Even beating out Tippie at U of I for fulltime MBA.
www.ivybusiness.iastate.edu
Even beating out Tippie at U of I for fulltime MBA.
Rankings
The Ivy College of Business achieved its second-highest national ranking for undergraduate programs and is among the top MBA programs.
www.ivybusiness.iastate.edu
Man. We thought about sending our kids to ISU. But now? How are they supposed to get a quality degree from a garbage school that isn't even in the top 100 in U.S. News? They're not even AAU. Looks like they'll have to get into a an AAU institution in the The Big 10 if they want any chance at a decent life.After a jump last year. Not sure how accurate these are disclaimer applies.
University of Iowa, Iowa State lose ground in U.S. News national rankings
Both of Iowa's public research universities slipped in this year's national U.S. News Best Colleges rankings, with the University of Iowa sliding five spots to No. 98 and Iowa State University dropping six to No. 121.www.thegazette.com
"1862 Morrill Act provided indirect financial support, the passage of the Hatch Act of 1887 provided federal appropriations to land grant institutions for the establishment and support of agriculture experiment stations to advance research in the areas of farming, ranching, and food production."
ISU now more than ever is serving it's core mission as a Land Grant Institution.. The politics and gamesmanship of USNWR is pretty gross...
If you measured ROI for a degree from Iowa State, we would score VERY highly. Cost of attendance, median lifetime earnings of graduates (adjusted for their cost of living), and criteria around founding companies who employ people and add to the betterment of US GDP should be the only relevant criteria.
ISU now more than ever is serving it's core mission as a Land Grant Institution.. The politics and gamesmanship of USNWR is pretty gross...
If you measured ROI for a degree from Iowa State, we would score VERY highly. Cost of attendance, median lifetime earnings of graduates (adjusted for their cost of living), and criteria around founding companies who employ people and add to the betterment of US GDP should be the only relevant criteria.
This is the graph you'd expect of an institution that voluntarily gave up AAU status.
This is an interesting point, there are obv some very highly ranked Land Grant universities (cal berkley being the obv one) but to your point while many schools have that status how many are serving that core mission to the degree ISU does.
You last paragraph around founding companies is a bit of a weird one though
I've increasingly come to see the "elite" private schools at the top of these lists as what amounts to venture capital firms running a small university on the side as an elegant tax dodge.
I'm joking. But only somewhat.
I respect what the elite private schools do in terms of medical and scientific research (where schools like Harvard and Stanford really are heavy hitters) and the top-level engineering schools (e.g., MIT and Carnegie Mellon). On the whole, though, I think the land-grant universities and what they've done for agriculture and the "useful arts" and the farmers, engineers, and agronomists they've trained have probably done more good for our civilization than the attorneys, C-suite types, and political theorists turned out by "elite" schools.
At the very least schools like Iowa State punch way above their weight as measured by the dollars going into them, their academic rankings, the wages of their graduates, and their endowments.
Curious about the peer institution change, does anyone have insider info on it?
Seems like a clear choice to step down.
Not sure how much it matters but that’sCurious about the peer institution change, does anyone have insider info on it?
Seems like a clear choice to step down.
That’s actually super smart to switch up as most people would have no idea the list changed. Moving the goal posts a bit but wonder who was in the original list outside the 3 retainedCurious about the peer institution change, does anyone have insider info on it?
Seems like a clear choice to step down.
I haven’t tracked that down yet. Adding Kansas State and Nebraska is discouraging to me.
Iowa, for example, swapped UCLA and Texas for Michigan State and Utah.
That’s wild that Iowa ever considered UCLA a peer institution. Texas is also an excellent school but just seems slightly more in the realm then UCLA
An accredited degree is an accredited degree in my opinion. At least at the undergrad level.
But who you rub elbows and make friends with in those circles matters significantly.
I think that’s the major difference between Miss St and Harvard.
But who you rub elbows and make friends with in those circles matters significantly.
I think that’s the major difference between Miss St and Harvard.
This statement is embarrassing from an Iowa State grad. I urge you to look into these rankings, how they are created and who actually relies upon them.
AAU - no med school means almost impossible to stay. Watch the ratings of schools that leave the big12 and go to other conferences. They now have bigger conferences "voting" for them.
You do understand what national media thinks of the Midwest? These bias' are built in with the respective population centers, i.e., voters.
Have u talked to Fortune 500 companies, one on one, to get their viewpoints of isu grads? Take an isu degree to NYC companies and get their responses.
It appears you have some other agenda that you are pursuing.
Education in the state of Iiwa has been trending like this since then, wonder what it could be.
