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Sadly EPIC is firmly entrenched, I have no idea the massive overhaul it would take to switch to cerner. The stupid customization of epic leadership (with no medical degrees) love too much.

If we could switch we could probably both retire on the commission check and just chill lol
Former EPIC veteran, here. I was a system administrator responsible for deployment and updating it at the place I worked. I visited their campus several times for training and yearly meetings. One of my good friends actually still works there on their virtualization tram. EPIC is intentionally a whole philosophy/way of thinking. They absolutely want their consumers committed at a personal level. Gotta give them a bit of credit for creating a business model that it's very difficult to get away from, but damn can it be frustrating.
 

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Sadly EPIC is firmly entrenched, I have no idea the massive overhaul it would take to switch to cerner. The stupid customization of epic leadership (with no medical degrees) love too much.

If we could switch we could probably both retire on the commission check and just chill lol
Only going to cost a mere $16 billion for the VA/DoD to switch from VISTA. Several years in and they only have a handful of sites fully switched over. But I don't want to cave this.
 
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Former EPIC veteran, here. I was a system administrator responsible for deployment and updating it at the place I worked. I visited their campus several times for training and yearly meetings. One of my good friends actually still works there on their virtualization tram. EPIC is intentionally a whole philosophy/way of thinking. They absolutely want their consumers committed at a personal level. Gotta give them a bit of credit for creating a business model that it's very difficult to get away from, but damn can it be frustrating.
This sums up my take on EPIC’s model pretty well. Also just love Dr G.

 

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I feel like there's AI, and then there's AI. The former (or the latter, IDK) just seems like a newer sexier way of saying automation which we've always been finding ways to do better so whatever. As long as people still understand how to do things themselves when needed and catch if AI screwed something up, that's fine, but I see how it can get abused and don't necessarily know the best way to ensure it doesn't. Thank god I'm not a hiring manager.

The other type that gets advertised all the time seems like it's giving people shortcuts to simply being human which makes me feel weird. For example, and I understand this is irrational, but people maybe just need to learn to take a photo or be OK with what the picture is. Like the friend group that's all looking at different directions so they touch it up. Just learn to look at the camera. Or the ad where the little kids looking disheveled with their crooked sunglasses, so it gets "fixed" so the sunglasses are on straight. I think it's funnier when little kids look like unorganized little kids. You're not really documenting real life if you're constantly modifying your records to match what you wanted it to be.

The worst to me was during the Olympics with the dad giving Google prompts so it could write a letter to Sydney Mclaughlin on behalf of his daughter. That just rubbed me the wrong way, telling the kid to just take a shortcut and have some AI write a "personal" letter to her idol.

Felt the same way on that.
 

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Former EPIC veteran, here. I was a system administrator responsible for deployment and updating it at the place I worked. I visited their campus several times for training and yearly meetings. One of my good friends actually still works there on their virtualization tram. EPIC is intentionally a whole philosophy/way of thinking. They absolutely want their consumers committed at a personal level. Gotta give them a bit of credit for creating a business model that it's very difficult to get away from, but damn can it be frustrating.

They're kind of a cult, tbh.
 
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I would never use it for writing as I love to do that myself. I have messed around with it to try simple programming
 

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I use it every now and then for coding projects and/or just basic research, because it can search for and consolidate multiple sources at one time. I can't do that. I also sometimes use it to recap meetings I missed/was late to and super long email chains I was added into late. Saves me tons of catch-up time. I don't really use it much to write out comms I send to other people, but that's just a preference. It's fully capable of doing so.

If your business uses tech in practically any way, AI resources can probably do basic and repetitive things more efficiently than you can -- you just have to verify it's correct. If you use vendor-made software, that software probably has some sort of AI functions built-in already (or will very soon).

Any belief that AI is just a fad that isn't here to stay is simply denying reality. Every massive company on the planet is using it already and actively trying to grow more usage of it. AI reduces human error and human exertion when used properly. It's absolutely here to stay... and no, it's not taking your jobs (yet). We're a ways out from that becoming a widespread issue yet.
 

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I use it every now and then for coding projects and/or just basic research, because it can search for and consolidate multiple sources at one time. I can't do that. I also sometimes use it to recap meetings I missed/was late to and super long email chains I was added into late. Saves me tons of catch-up time. I don't really use it much to write out comms I send to other people, but that's just a preference. It's fully capable of doing so.

If your business uses tech in practically any way, AI resources can probably do basic and repetitive things more efficiently than you can -- you just have to verify it's correct. If you use vendor-made software, that software probably has some sort of AI functions built-in already (or will very soon).

Any belief that AI is just a fad that isn't here to stay is simply denying reality. Every massive company on the planet is using it already and actively trying to grow more usage of it. AI reduces human error and human exertion when used properly. It's absolutely here to stay... and no, it's not taking your jobs (yet). We're a ways out from that becoming a widespread issue yet.
It's a tool like any other, as far as I'm concerned. Not going to be applicable for every task, but certainly incredibly useful when does apply.

You mentioned meeting notes and that's a great example. I absolutely hate taking meeting notes. And some people are better at it than others. Letting MS Teams do it keeps things consistent and relieves attendees from having to do it. We also utilize AI in my company's Call center. When a customer calls in, they explain their reason for calling and AI determines where to route it. It even attempts to interpret the caller's tone of voice, and alerts the receiver, so they be prepared if someone is angry or impatient. Another one for meetings is real time translation, which can be incredibly helpful for international conversations.
 

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Felt the same way on that.

I think it's all uncomftable like that if we think hard enough.

High level "thinking" and "learning" have never been automated before at a large scale, certainly not to every random idiot for practically no cost.

That's not to say human manual labor does not have merit, it does, but I think it's pretty dangerous to assume automating manual labor and automating thinking are analogous. Of course there's the inevitable combination of the two which people have no problem being "scared" of.
 

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I think it's all uncomftable like that if we think hard enough.

High level "thinking" and "learning" have never been automated before at a large scale, certainly not to every random idiot for practically no cost.

That's not to say human manual labor does not have merit, it does, but I think it's pretty dangerous to assume automating manual labor and automating thinking are analogous. Of course there's the inevitable combination of the two which people have no problem being "scared" of.

Agree. Like I said earlier. Our company says AI bumps performance up to almost match a high producing employee.

So the ******* can do the same work at the almost the same level as someone with skills.

I asked how does the highly skilled and productive person differentiate themselves from the ******* in this situation.

"Well. We've never thought about that. I bet the highly skilled folks will figure it out"

Just from a corporate culture and morale standpoint it will be a train wreck. Now take that across the entire economy. Across society.

The shitheads will win. Low IQ. Low initiative. Same results. I can hire this mouth breather at 1/2 price and get the same results. I see that potentially causing true issues on top of the people starting to use it for evil.
 
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Agree. Like I said earlier. Our company says AI bumps performance up to almost match a high producing employee.

So the ******* can do the same work at the almost the same level as someone with skills.

I asked how does the highly skilled and productive person differentiate themselves from the ******* in this situation.

"Well. We've never thought about that. I bet the highly skilled folks will figure it out"

Just from a corporate culture and morale standpoint it will be a train wreck. Now take that across the entire economy. Across society.

The shitheads will win. Low IQ. Low initiative. Same results. I can hire this mouth breather at 1/2 price and get the same results. I see that potentially causing true issues on top of the people starting to use it for evil.
I strongly disagree with that. If someone has low initiative that doesn’t compute with the person that is setting up a bunch of AI systems to get the work done for them. They have to learn the AI and how to best utilize it.

If AI can take an average employee and bump them up to a high performing one chances are that high performing employee wasn’t doing anything that special, they were just spending more time on it.

Making less time for random BS that AI can do doesn’t mean low IQ people win, it means that the high performers are only good at skills that people didn’t want to waste time on.
 
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I'm in communications and at my professional organization's meeting this summer, more than one speaker said some variation of this: "AI won't take your job, but someone who uses AI will."
 
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Also, just need to remind folks that in the livestock world, AI has been around for decades. Just be clear on which AI you're talking about.
 

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I hate most things for "AI" stuff, which isn't even real "AI", that makes the world worse.

Example. I don't even care about CC, but I liked for Sound Off years ago, so now I love in CC, so now every other post is about CC. Now, it shows so many posts for groups for CC or WNBA that is just photoshop of CC with big boobs and then argue if it's real or not. Photoshop doesn't mean "AI", but anyways why is this crap everywhere and people dumb argue about it.

We were going into Idiocracy' anyways, now "AI" is just going the world to express lane.
 

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I hate most things for "AI" stuff, which isn't even real "AI", that makes the world worse.

Example. I don't even care about CC, but I liked for Sound Off years ago, so now I love in CC, so now every other post is about CC. Now, it shows so many posts for groups for CC or WNBA that is just photoshop of CC with big boobs and then argue if it's real or not. Photoshop doesn't mean "AI", but anyways why is this crap everywhere and people dumb argue about it.

We were going into Idiocracy' anyways, now "AI" is just going the world to express lane.
Did AI write that because that’s a wild interpretation of how the english language works
 
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I strongly disagree with that. If someone has low initiative that doesn’t compute with the person that is setting up a bunch of AI systems to get the work done for them. They have to learn the AI and how to best utilize it.

If AI can take an average employee and bump them up to a high performing one chances are that high performing employee wasn’t doing anything that special, they were just spending more time on it.

Making less time for random BS that AI can do doesn’t mean low IQ people win, it means that the high performers are only good at skills that people didn’t want to waste time on.
I mean, sure?? I’m really struggling to find your point. If an average employee needs AI to become above average, aren’t they less worthy as the above average employee who doesn’t use AI?

I don’t know, whatever. Use it or don’t. I’m not hiring you if you do. If you’re in the position to hire anyone then I guess that’s your decision to make.
 

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I mean, sure?? I’m really struggling to find your point. If an average employee needs AI to become above average, aren’t they less worthy as the above average employee who doesn’t use AI?

I don’t know, whatever. Use it or don’t. I’m not hiring you if you do. If you’re in the position to hire anyone then I guess that’s your decision to make.
No because AI is a tool. If what makes someone an above average employee can be replaced with AI then their skill is no longer in demand. It’s like punishing someone using excel instead of paper. The person that is able to leverage the tools to get the best result is your actual high performing employee. Not someone who’s skill set is becoming irrelevant
 
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