When do you think you will buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?

[Skyh13]

So 1/4 th of people MAYBE would want a Chinese battery car by like 2030. So the other 80% not so much.

Percentage of actual sales isn’t a direct measure of “want”, especially if the % purchased keeps going up. And who said anything about them being Chinese cars?

And yes, 2030 is in fact just over 5 years away.. I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make by stating that.

 

[Clone1992]

Enjoy rewinding your VHS tapes and returning to Blockbuster video while I’m streaming in HD at home.

That’s exactly how well this will age.

I'll enjoy the same stuff that 80% of people are enjoying with their gas powered vehicles 10-15 years from now.

 

[Clone1992]

Percentage of actual sales isn’t a direct measure of “want”, especially if the % purchased keeps going up. And who said anything about them being Chinese cars?

And yes, 2030 is in fact just over 5 years away.. I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make by stating that.

Its like 5 years and 1 month from now.

Enjoy rewinding your VHS tapes and returning to Blockbuster video while I’m streaming in HD at home.

That’s exactly how well this will age.

You are the minority here by far. Not even debatable. That's fine, but don't act like I'm in the dinosaur ages here. The huge majority does not want the Chinese battery cars. That's a fact.

 

[Clone1992]

Percentage of actual sales isn’t a direct measure of “want”, especially if the % purchased keeps going up. And who said anything about them being Chinese cars?

And yes, 2030 is in fact just over 5 years away.. I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make by stating that.

Where are the batteries for these coming from?

 

[Skyh13]

Where are the batteries for these coming from?

Thanks to some smart legislation, increasingly the United States.

Tracking the EV battery factory construction boom across North America | TechCrunch

Battery factories are popping up across North America. Here's where they are and how the Inflation Reduction Act influenced the boom.

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[HFCS]

Its like 5 years and 1 month from now.

You are the minority here by far. Not even debatable. That's fine, but don't act like I'm in the dinosaur ages here. The huge majority does not want the Chinese battery cars. That's a fact.

Cry harder.

New tech is never adopted by 100% overnight. It doesn’t mean VHS tapes are the future like you think.

Such an odd thing to cling to and link your self worth to.

 

[Clone1992]

Cry harder.

New tech is never adopted by 100% overnight. It doesn’t mean VHS tapes are the future like you think.

Such an odd thing to cling to and link your self worth to.

I'm not crying. VHS tapes are dead and all electric vehicles for the majority are way off in the future. Probably long after we are both gone. No self worth involved.

 

[Clone1992]

I guess we'll see. My money is on the vast majority of Americans don't want EVs. If you feel different, then that's cool. I guess we will see how it all shakes out.

 

[HFCS]

I'm not crying. VHS tapes are dead and all electric vehicles for the majority are way off in the future. Probably long after we are both gone. No self worth involved.

They are 25% of new car sales where I live anlready and it’s all fine. People love them.

Maybe the opposite of American history will happen and Southern California won’t forecast trends for the rest of the country.

My townhome complex has 16 cars in ten garages, 7 of them are EVs now. So you can see why I’m laughing when you tell me it’s some distant future thing.

 

[HFCS]

So we’ve gone from liquid fuel enthusiast, to they don’t have enough range or charge fast enough, to nobody actually wants them, to buying an EV is giving China money for child slave labor, even though there are batteries being produced in the US, no Chinese car companies are allowed to sell their car here, and to qualify for subsidies I think at least 60% of the car has to be produced in the US.

High time to be done with this conversation.

I’m tempted to take some random parking lot pics in my neighborhood where half the cars are EVs. It’s not “the future” in lots of places already, it’s the “right now”.

 

[madguy30]

So, its just range and refueling time? I thought you were a liquid fuel enthusiast.

Obviously electric motors aren’t going to scratch that fire, gears, and noise itch that some people are into with big ICE engines or classic cars, but on the other point the good news is that technology does in fact improve and progress over time, heck even today almost nothing on the market only gets you 200 miles and takes an hour to charge (on the proper charger, grant you).

I’d be willing to bet that ranges will improve and charge times will decrease. You might consider waiting a handful of years here for the tech to mature before defiantly declaring “Never!!”

I’d also be careful claiming “very few people” want them. In May of this year, 6.8% of all new car sales were EVs. Clearly not a huge percentage, but 1 in 15 ain‘t insignificant.

I had someone a while back ask me how they intended to have people charge up as they drove since they hadn't seen hardly any charging stations.

I very calmly explained to them that those kinds of things will become more numerous, just like how gas stations did, and just like gas mileage, etc. have been improved, so will other things.

They took a minute but then the connection finally kicked in.

 

[NWICY]

I'll be in Ames tomorrow for the game driving a big old gas-powered truck pulling a trailer with our tailgate for like 60 peeps and serving brats and burgers on the grill. You can watch in Cali and snack on granola and tofo or whatever. There won't be much electric stuff powering any of it unless we put food in crocks as we grill because us hicks can only eat so much at one time.

I'm disappointed that it's not a diesel so you can "roll coal " on everyone in the parking lots as you go by.

 

[MountainManHawk]

Percentage of actual sales isn’t a direct measure of “want”, especially if the % purchased keeps going up. And who said anything about them being Chinese cars?

And yes, 2030 is in fact just over 5 years away.. I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make by stating that.

I haven’t read any of this thread other than the last couple pages so maybe this was already discussed, but there are also laws on the books banning sale of new gas powered cars beyond 2035.

Of course those laws could get scrapped before they go into effect but I kind of doubt it.

According to ChatGPT you won’t be allowed to buy a new gas powered car beyond 2035 in the EU/UK/Canada/etc and a number of US states representing over 30% of the US population (California, New York, Washington, etc).

Of course used gas powered cars will still be on the road after that and if you live in one of those states it’s not that hard to cross the state border and buy a gas powered car somewhere else.

But it’s easy to imagine pretty high market share of new car purchases going to electric in 10 years time.

 

[3TrueFans]

Seems like @Clone1992 has a boomer take about everything and then gets really emotional when people don’t agree. See high school football thread for example.

 

[HFCS]

I haven’t read any of this thread other than the last couple pages so maybe this was already discussed, but there are also laws on the books banning sale of new gas powered cars beyond 2035.

Of course those laws could get scrapped before they go into effect but I kind of doubt it.

According to ChatGPT you won’t be allowed to buy a new gas powered car beyond 2035 in the EU/UK/Canada/etc and a number of US states representing over 30% of the US population (California, New York, Washington, etc).

Of course used gas powered cars will still be on the road after that and if you live in one of those states it’s not that hard to cross the state border and buy a gas powered car somewhere else.

But it’s easy to imagine pretty high market share of new car purchases going to electric in 10 years time.

Those state laws generally followed the lead of automakers.

 

[MountainManHawk]

Those state laws generally followed the lead of automakers.

I think the companies probably just want a uniform set of regulations, so the same thing everywhere as opposed to different rules for every market they sell in.

It would make sense that once a big part of the market (Europe, California, etc) made it clear they were moving this direction, then the automakers would prefer to just go 100% that way and not have some states having different rules.

If you think about it, it will be a lot cheaper for them to just move their whole operation over to electric as opposed to having half their manufacturing making gas cars and half electric…

 

[Clonehomer]

Those state laws generally followed the lead of automakers.

In a way. Automakers showed that they are capable to develop and produce EVs. But they need the state laws to guarantee a market. The initial cost of these vehicles made it difficult to justify up front. They needed laws and tax incentives to get the industry started and justify the huge expenditures of getting an EV production line up and running.

 

[MountainManHawk]

I think the companies probably just want a uniform set of regulations, so the same thing everywhere as opposed to different rules for every market they sell in.

It would make sense that once a big part of the market (Europe, California, etc) made it clear they were moving this direction, then the automakers would prefer to just go 100% that way and not have some states having different rules.

If you think about it, it will be a lot cheaper for them to just move their whole operation over to electric as opposed to having half their manufacturing making gas cars and half electric…

Also the big automakers that have figured out electric will probably lobby for these rules because they know it will be a competitive advantage for them over everyone that hasn’t done it yet.

 

[MountainManHawk]

In a way. Automakers showed that they are capable to develop and produce EVs. But they need the state laws to guarantee a market. The initial cost of these vehicles made it difficult to justify up front. They needed laws and tax incentives to get the industry started and justify the huge expenditures of getting an EV production line up and running.

I agree with that. Ford probably spent a ton of money developing the Lightning truck line and they will probably lobby for regulations that help ensure they get a good return on that investment.

 

[nfrine]

My son had taken his Rivian SUV down to KC a couple of times for some warranty work. At the completion of the work they provided an itemized statement to show the work done and what the cost would be if not in warranty. The hourly charge for the service tech was listed at $400! That seemed bit high to me.