stabbing outside of pella middle school

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This kid will be expelled at the next board meeting. If he was new to the district, they will not want to mess around and give him a second opportunity to harm anyone. He will become someone else's problem and the school board will wash their hands of the whole thing. The big question will be how the knife got into the school, so items like backpacks will either be done away with or searched for the near future.

That was part of the point of my post. Let’s stop pushing this problem onto somebody else. He’s homeschooled or we reopen the Clarinda academy.
 

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This kid will be expelled at the next board meeting. If he was new to the district, they will not want to mess around and give him a second opportunity to harm anyone. He will become someone else's problem and the school board will wash their hands of the whole thing. The big question will be how the knife got into the school, so items like backpacks will either be done away with or searched for the near future.
Guessing he will be going to juvenile hall and become the states problem. He should anyway. That is attempted murder and should be in at least until he is 18. That would be my guess. If he is new to the school I wonder if the old school kicked him out and if they notified Pella of the kids issues or what the situation was that made him leave his old school
 

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How do you get stabbed by a knife, of any kind, and not need to go to the hospital to get looked at?
Police just described it as a slash that created minor laceration wounds. I'd assume he swung it at someone and caught someone else on the follow through
 

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I disagree completely. I'll have a kid starting school in a few years and I hope they ban cell phones in school. I won't be giving her a phone that does anything more than call or text until she's over 16 either.

Kids being glued to smart phones is a massive ******* problem and we need to not let it continue, societally.

A basic call/text type of phone? I'm fine with a kid having that. But no apps or internet.
Just saying that I've seen firsthand what can happen. Both daughters had friends whose parents did this and it very much heightened their levels of anxiety and depression... feeling left out and cut off, wondering what was being said about them, being made fun of, etc. I know this because I heard them talk about it themselves.

I'd never tell anyone how to parent their kid. And I 100% agree that so many of these apps and social media in general is a very toxic and damaging cesspool. All I'm saying is that I don't agree with others who think taking their phone away is some magic bullet that will make everything better.

I do agree that during the school day phones should not be allowed.
 

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Trying to remember specifics but can’t for this one situation. This kid that was expelled from school went to live with his other parent which is in my sons school. He made a threat (and thinking he even had a weapon with him) was pulled off the bus and suspended and then expelled by my sons school Somehow went back to his old school, because you have to educate them. Was in private Ed iirc until he just dropped out on his own at 16.

Some kids don’t belong with the general pop, why is there this forcing of it?
 

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That was part of the point of my post. Let’s stop pushing this problem onto somebody else. He’s homeschooled or we reopen the Clarinda academy.

Without going political....that boat has long sailed away.
 

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If others are interested, Id be very open to a political discussion on violent kids being allowed to stay in "normal" schools.

My preface. Back in my day the most violent acted up, and they were gone, didn't see them again. Say 2-5 kids out of a class of 400.

Nowadays, this kid who stabbed will be back in the same classroom after a 3 day suspension. Don't want them to feel bad for being different. :-(

But they are different, they stabbed someone with a knife they brought from home. Gone. Crossed a line that cannot be uncrossed. Can we please find the funding to reopen the alternative schools for the violent kids who self select?
 

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Just saying that I've seen firsthand what can happen. Both daughters had friends whose parents did this and it very much heightened their levels of anxiety and depression... feeling left out and cut off, wondering what was being said about them, being made fun of, etc. I know this because I heard them talk about it themselves.

I'd never tell anyone how to parent their kid. And I 100% agree that so many of these apps and social media in general is a very toxic and damaging cesspool. All I'm saying is that I don't agree with others who think taking their phone away is some magic bullet that will make everything better.

I do agree that during the school day phones should not be allowed.
I'm talking about not giving them smart phones in the first place.

I realize that being left out can be damaging, but I think we're at a point where it's like "yeah, all your classmates are smoking and I wouldn't want you to be left out of that". That's how dangerous I think smart phones are for adolescent minds.

When it's a school-wide ban, no kid is getting left out on their own.
 

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I'm talking about not giving them smart phones in the first place.
I tried to get my mom a flip a phone when she was elderly, but I couldn’t get my hands on one because certain cellular companies didn’t support them. It may be hard to get one. You may not give data but many phones will support wifi so they have access in school and friends place.

We let our kids have phones in 5th since the middle school was in a different town and that allowed access in an emergency. The principal was a mean lady that wouldn’t allow kids to call since it was long distance for any reason. Felt better if they had access the.
 

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I'm talking about not giving them smart phones in the first place.

I realize that being left out can be damaging, but I think we're at a point where it's like "yeah, all your classmates are smoking and I wouldn't want you to be left out of that". That's how dangerous I think smart phones are for adolescent minds.

When it's a school-wide ban, no kid is getting left out on their own.
Yep, that's what happened with our daughters' friends, they weren't allowed to have them at any point.
 

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If others are interested, Id be very open to a political discussion on violent kids being allowed to stay in "normal" schools.

My preface. Back in my day the most violent acted up, and they were gone, didn't see them again. Say 2-5 kids out of a class of 400.

Nowadays, this kid who stabbed will be back in the same classroom after a 3 day suspension. Don't want them to feel bad for being different. :-(

But they are different, they stabbed someone with a knife they brought from home. Gone. Crossed a line that cannot be uncrossed. Can we please find the funding to reopen the alternative schools for the violent kids who self select?
On top of that, troubled kids like this typically don't like going to school, so an out of school suspension could almost be seen as a perk for them.

I dated a girl a while back who was a 3rd grade teacher in the Des Moines schools, who had a student who would routinely be given out of school suspensions and he loved it. He also came from a single parent household, which meant that his mom would either have to take work off to stay at home while he was suspended or just leave him home alone.
 

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I disagree completely. I'll have a kid starting school in a few years and I hope they ban cell phones in school. I won't be giving her a phone that does anything more than call or text until she's over 16 either.

Kids being glued to smart phones is a massive ******* problem and we need to not let it continue, societally.

A basic call/text type of phone? I'm fine with a kid having that. But no apps or internet.
I agree with the exception of Seniors. I don't know about the large schools in Iowa but I graduated from a 2A size school and was so Ill prepared for my freshman year at ISU it was laughable. Society says they are adults at 18 so we need to treat them like they are. Id let them have their cell phones in school, not in class obviously, have open campus for lunch as well as other freedoms that nobody else gets. If they take advantage of these freedoms then they would be appropriately punished but they need to start learning how to be an adult IMHO. Like I said before maybe large schools do this but smaller schools do not.
 

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On top of that, troubled kids like this typically don't like going to school, so an out of school suspension could almost be seen as a perk for them.

I dated a girl a while back who was a 3rd grade teacher in the Des Moines schools, who had a student who would routinely be given out of school suspensions and he loved it. He also came from a single parent household, which meant that his mom would either have to take work off to stay at home while he was suspended or just leave him home alone.
Wife teaches 3rd, in a different section a new kid showed up. Did all kinds of stuff that was borderline and even probably over the line from what it sounded. The kid even made the statement after a couple things, “ what does a kid need to do to get suspended here?”

Wife told me the kid went back to his old school the other day. They weren’t disappointed to see him go.
 

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I agree with the exception of Seniors. I don't know about the large schools in Iowa but I graduated from a 2A size school and was so Ill prepared for my freshman year at ISU it was laughable. Society says they are adults at 18 so we need to treat them like they are. Id let them have their cell phones in school, not in class obviously, have open campus for lunch as well as other freedoms that nobody else gets. If they take advantage of these freedoms then they would be appropriately punished but they need to start learning how to be an adult IMHO. Like I said before maybe large schools do this but smaller schools do not.
I was a class of 50 and had open campus my senior year. My kids had/have 35-45 in their classes and they had open campus for seniors.
 

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I was a class of 50 and had open campus my senior year. My kids had/have 35-45 in their classes and they had open campus for seniors.
Good! Our school still doesn't
 
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