Pick Six record?

[jsb]

someone on Twitter said we'd had 7 pick-sixes (8 if you count the UCF drop) since the beginning of last season.

Rocco has a very low INT rate (2.3%) only slightly worse than Brock Purdy (2.2%) and top 5 all time [passers over 100 attempts]

1) Zeb Noland 1.1%
2) Kyle Kempt 1.4%
3) Joel Lanning 1.9%
4) Brock Purdy 2.2%
5) Rocco Becht 2.3%

All that said, if you count the UCF drop at the one. Rocco gets his INTs returned for touchdowns at a STAGGERING 47% rate. It's mostly bad luck I assume, but essentially everyone other pick returned for six is wild smfh.

I'd guess that some of the interceptions happened at times and in spaces where the Pick 6's were more likely. So I don't think it is entirely luck.

But I do think it is somewhat bad luck. In my mind, the number of interceptions is more indicative of whether he is a poor quarterback or not.

And to be clear, that seems to be the argument of several people right now as we sit 9-2. They think Rocco is a poor quarterback.

 

[clones_jer]

for reference, QBs we hold in high regard in ISU history had interception rates FAR higher than Rocco. it's all relative.

Sage Rosenfels 4.4%
George Amundson 6.6%
Steele Jantz 4.4%
Seneca Wallace 3.8%

 

[NetflixAndClone]

SIAP but I asked ChatGPT. It says while pick 6s are not really a stat that is officially track but it did give me two quarterbacks. They claim Brett Favre had 7 pick 6s at southern miss in a season and it also said that David Klingler at Houston also had 7 in a season.

However saying that, ChatGPT tends to lie to me so idk how reliable these answers are. I really question the Klingler answer since idk if AI really understood what a pick 6 is. The Favre answer came when I reworded it as “interception returned for a touchdown”

 

[clones_jer]

And to be clear, that seems to be the argument of several people right now as we sit 9-2. They think Rocco is a poor quarterback.

It can be argued pretty easily that he's a touch worse than Purdy, but that's still miles ahead of ... every other QB in Iowa State history.

 

[Spam]

It can be argued pretty easily that he's a touch worse than Purdy, but that's still miles ahead of ... every other QB in Iowa State history.

This is true. In the 3011 years I have followed ISU, no other QB except Purdy would have the record we have this year.

 

[Trice]

I'd guess that some of the interceptions happened at times and in spaces where the Pick 6's were more likely. So I don't think it is entirely luck.

But I do think it is somewhat bad luck. In my mind, the number of interceptions is more indicative of whether he is a poor quarterback or not.

And to be clear, that seems to be the argument of several people right now as we sit 9-2. They think Rocco is a poor quarterback.

Almost no one, if not literally no one, is arguing that he's a poor quarterback. Just that he has some untimely and particularly detrimental plays.

 

[clones_jer]

you've followed Iowa State for 3,000 years?
that's loyalty.

 

[acoustimac]

someone on Twitter said we'd had 7 pick-sixes (8 if you count the UCF drop) since the beginning of last season.

Rocco has a very low INT rate (2.3%) only slightly worse than Brock Purdy (2.2%) and top 5 all time [passers over 100 attempts]

1) Zeb Noland 1.1%
2) Kyle Kempt 1.4%
3) Joel Lanning 1.9%
4) Brock Purdy 2.2%
5) Rocco Becht 2.3%

All that said, if you count the UCF drop at the one. Rocco gets his INTs returned for touchdowns at a STAGGERING 47% rate. It's mostly bad luck I assume, but essentially every other pick returned for six is wild smfh.

This is the type of info I was seeking with the original post. I’ve not been able to find the school or ncaa record for this particular stat.

 

[MTCyclone43]

Yeah, so receivers should stop letting balls bounce off their hands?

Or maybe, the particular pick 6 last night against Utah, Rocco threw such a poorly placed pass that Noel barely got a hand on it. Not all of the pick 6s have been on Rocco- but he definitely owns last night's pick 6.

 

[MTCyclone43]

4 I think.

2 against UCF, 1 against Kansas, 1 tonight

For the sake of this discussion, you are correct.

 

[harimad]

I’ve yet to find the NCAA record for pick sixes in a single season. NFL record is 7 by Jameis Winston.

If only we had someone keeping track of every time you ****** up your TPS reports.

 

[MTCyclone43]

If only we had someone keeping track of every time you ****** up your TPS reports.

Sports and statistics go hand-in-hand.

 

[Bob f]

Its the SOPH jinx. Back off folks. He will be a major leading college QB next season. Learing is about from your F ups, not the easy stuff. I'm sure you're all perfect through life.

It'll be interesting to see how he performs without Higgins or Noel. Hope like hell we get a stud wide out in the portal

 

[qwerty]

you've followed Iowa State for 3,000 years?
that's loyalty.

Those games against the Egyptians back in the day were brutal. They used pyramid formations on offense and ball De Nile on defense.

 

[stewart092284]

Rocco is a fine quarterback... that said, he is no where as good as CW or others try to make him out to be. He's extremely... well, average.

Again, though, neither is he bad, not at all. Most of his strengths are more in the intangible, rather than the physical however, and at times, that is evidenced by throws that hang, a lack of the kind of athletic ability that some of the other QB's have when escaping the pocket, etc...

he's the type of QB you can win with but aren't entirely going to win because of. He is Purdy or Goff like as a Lions fan.

He's not going to make you think "OMG, we have to find a new quarterback" but neither is he going to think "man, we can win it all with this guy". He's... simply OK.

From a pure physical trait stand point, Moberely is probably the most physically gifted QB on the roster. But there's so much more that goes into play QB than just raw talent.

For me, Rocco's strengths are:


Leadership
Poise
Quick Release
Intelligence
Feel for the game
Great timing / rhythm QB



Weaknesses


Lacks upper level arm strength or athleticism although he's unathletic he's also not if I were to rank him compared to QB's we've played in terms of athleticism, he's down the list
Shortish so balls get batted down in the pocket or tipped due to arm slot when releasing the football
And will lock in on a read.

Meaning, several of interceptions occur because he'll come off a read late, and then doesn't have the type of arm where he can zip it late out into the flat or over the middle. Like that long pass to Higgins down the side line. Completed for a big gain yes, but it hung g in the air and Jayden had to wait for it and the DB was able to nearly recover. The PI on Utah to Higgins, again, the ball hung and actually hit the DB in the back where if the DB turned, its probably picked off.



And look, Ill say this about records and what not at Iowa State... on the one hand, they're great and an awesome acomplishment.

At the same time - given our lack of great football pedigree, its not really saying a lot. Like, we're not Ohio State or Texas in terms of past QB's we've had.

It's like Northwestern men's BB talking about all the records that Collins and crew is doing. Yes, its true. Yes, its a great accomplishment. But its not like their kid just passed some collegiate HOFer's record. As a younger fan one of my favorite players was Todd Bandhauer ... I thought he was the second coming of Joe Montana.

 

[Stormin]

Yeah, so receivers should stop letting balls bounce off their hands?

Receivers should probably quit attempting to catch the badly thrown balls thrown off target that are behind them.

 

[madguy30]

If only we had someone keeping track of every time you ****** up your TPS reports.

 

[CascadeClone]

You're the kind of guy who criticized d your kids for not getting a 1600 on the sats when they got a 4.3 GPA, aren't you?

He threw a terrible pass - rifled it from 10 feet away a yard behind the target. Its ok to say so.

And if Noel doesnt tip it, it probably goes right into the turf and no one cares.

He had several bad throws. An out that was almost picked. A few behind recievers. Underthrew Higgins on a long completion that could have been a TD.

He also threw some dimes. Didnt get down or go in the tank when he screwed up. Led them downfield for the game winning score.

He certainly hasnt been perfect but he has been good enough to get them to 9-2

 

[BryceC]

Ricky Stanzi had a lot the year Iowa went to the Orange bowl

The Rick Six!

 

[SolterraCyclone]

Rocco is a fine quarterback... that said, he is no where as good as CW or others try to make him out to be. He's extremely... well, average.

Again, though, neither is he bad, not at all. Most of his strengths are more in the intangible, rather than the physical however, and at times, that is evidenced by throws that hang, a lack of the kind of athletic ability that some of the other QB's have when escaping the pocket, etc...

he's the type of QB you can win with but aren't entirely going to win because of. He is Purdy or Goff like as a Lions fan.

He's not going to make you think "OMG, we have to find a new quarterback" but neither is he going to think "man, we can win it all with this guy". He's... simply OK.

From a pure physical trait stand point, Moberely is probably the most physically gifted QB on the roster. But there's so much more that goes into play QB than just raw talent.

For me, Rocco's strengths are:


Leadership
Poise
Quick Release
Intelligence
Feel for the game
Great timing / rhythm QB



Weaknesses


Lacks upper level arm strength or athleticism although he's unathletic he's also not if I were to rank him compared to QB's we've played in terms of athleticism, he's down the list
Shortish so balls get batted down in the pocket or tipped due to arm slot when releasing the football
And will lock in on a read.

Meaning, several of interceptions occur because he'll come off a read late, and then doesn't have the type of arm where he can zip it late out into the flat or over the middle. Like that long pass to Higgins down the side line. Completed for a big gain yes, but it hung g in the air and Jayden had to wait for it and the DB was able to nearly recover. The PI on Utah to Higgins, again, the ball hung and actually hit the DB in the back where if the DB turned, its probably picked off.



And look, Ill say this about records and what not at Iowa State... on the one hand, they're great and an awesome acomplishment.

At the same time - given our lack of great football pedigree, its not really saying a lot. Like, we're not Ohio State or Texas in terms of past QB's we've had.

It's like Northwestern men's BB talking about all the records that Collins and crew is doing. Yes, its true. Yes, its a great accomplishment. But its not like their kid just passed some collegiate HOFer's record. As a younger fan one of my favorite players was Todd Bandhauer ... I thought he was the second coming of Joe Montana.

I’d add:

He’s the best crunch time QB I think we’ve ever had here. He’s led 4 go-ahead, late 4th quarter drives this year. All would have been game-winning drives but the D couldn’t hang on against Texas Tech. I’ve never seen that before as an ISU fan.

Not worried about arm strength, but two concerns I have are accuracy and against the blitz/pressure. He misses a lot of throws that I’d rank easy or intermediate difficulty levels. I’m not sure if accuracy is correctable.

He was better against the blitz last night, but he gets happy feet and panics when the blitz is coming. He appears to recognize it well pre-snap, but really struggles to get the ball out as the play unfolds. This I think is more correctable with time and experience.