Scoring Droughts

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Shots were going in and Auburn wasn't pressing the perimeter.

Gilbert was also a big reason ISU even had a chance late.
I said it in another thread, but I think Gilbert's foul trouble was the key to the game. In the first half Auburn was playing good but not great defense and the team was able to work around the loss of Gilbert creating opportunitites and turning defense into offense. In the second half Auburn was playing defensively about as well as they can and ISU missed Gilbert's ability to penetrate and create for himself and others. I said TJ had to put Gilbert in just a few seconds before TJ sent him to the scorers table. ISU was able to right the ship then but at that point it was a dogfight.

I'm not saying this to be mean because I like Jefferson, but him being successful early in the game dribbling in the paint between two defenders to score a bucket might be the worst thing that could have happened. I think he tried it at least 3 more times throughout the game sometimes into triple teams and I think he turned it over every time. If he gets turned over that first time maybe he thinks twice about driving into a double/triple team down low.

I'm not worried though. If ISU makes just one more of those open three looks or if Tamin gets a couple of whistles on the in bounds plays 94 feet from our basket when his defender was wrapping both arms around him it might have been a different result.

TJ has the team's undivided attention and they understand how important it is to close a game out. This is going to fun.
 

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I said it in another thread, but I think Gilbert's foul trouble was the key to the game. In the first half Auburn was playing good but not great defense and the team was able to work around the loss of Gilbert creating opportunitites and turning defense into offense. In the second half Auburn was playing defensively about as well as they can and ISU missed Gilbert's ability to penetrate and create for himself and others. I said TJ had to put Gilbert in just a few seconds before TJ sent him to the scorers table. ISU was able to right the ship then but at that point it was a dogfight.

I'm not saying this to be mean because I like Jefferson, but him being successful early in the game dribbling in the paint between two defenders to score a bucket might be the worst thing that could have happened. I think he tried it at least 3 more times throughout the game sometimes into triple teams and I think he turned it over every time. If he gets turned over that first time maybe he thinks twice about driving into a double/triple team down low.

I'm not worried though. If ISU makes just one more of those open three looks or if Tamin gets a couple of whistles on the in bounds plays 94 feet from our basket when his defender was wrapping both arms around him it might have been a different result.

TJ has the team's undivided attention and they understand how important it is to close a game out. This is going to fun.

100% agree. Jefferson should NOT be handling the ball top of the key. Dribble handoff is fine. Otherwise, his ball handling should be limited to post ups and attacking the rim off a close out. He is not a ball handler and either Lipsey or TJ should have told him that.
 

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A 5 minute scoring draught doesn't concern me. That happens in basketball. As long as we avoid the 8-10 minute ones we had a few times last year. I was more concerned with getting outhustled for rebounds the last 5-8 minutes. That's what did us in. Gave up two offensive rebounds on missed free throws too. Those can't happen.
 

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I think our 5-10 min scoring droughts is what is keeping us from moving past the sweet 16 type of team honestly.
I agree. Listen, we are really good, and all teams have scoring droughts. TJ is doing a great job, nobody is saying he isn't great. He is a young coach, and he is constantly up against the best coaches in the country with teams that have athletic freaks. His offensive staff/mind is just not on the same level as other guys at this point in his career.

Sweet 16 level is really really good, and he will eventually break through. But eventually, we are going to have to be more consistent on the offensive end in the half court, and we are going to have to figure out a way to slow down these crazy stretch 4's and really long, quick guards. Everyone has weaknesses, and this happens to be his. Add to that, we don't really get this 6'8 complete freak guys that can shoot it from 25 feet and can put it on the floor like some of the guys we are trying to beat.

Again, it's not a complaint, it's just where we are as a program right now, which is way better than where we have ever been before really.
 

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Still felt we got a little out coached in the second half with adjustments auburn made and I thought we could have subbed differently to keep guys fresh. But foul trouble didn’t help the subbing situation.
100%. Lots of CFers seemingly pretty happy about another nice little moral victory here. How anyone can be pleased with blowing a 16-point halftime lead (especially in the manner it happened, come out after the half and get your doors completely blown off) is beyond me.
 
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Auburn made some adjustments, but especially upped the intensity. The flagrant one on Jackson seemed to start the momentum shift. Main thing I saw on the offensive end was that Auburn was a lot more decisive. Point A to point B to point C shoot, which didn't allow us to get the help there.
 
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Iirc Broome himself I think had a 9-10 minute drought last night.

Part of ISU's issue seemed to be too much dribbling once Auburn started to press the perimeter. Anothrr part of it was Auburn's speed and length around the hoop if ISU did get the ball down low.

Some of ISU's line ups didn't seem like a great fit either but that may be a symptom of it being only the 4th game.
 

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100%. Lots of CFers seemingly pretty happy about another nice little moral victory here. How anyone can be pleased with blowing a 16-point halftime lead (especially in the manner it happened, come out after the half and get your doors completely blown off) is beyond me.
You should write TJ an email about your displeasure.
 

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100%. Lots of CFers seemingly pretty happy about another nice little moral victory here. How anyone can be pleased with blowing a 16-point halftime lead (especially in the manner it happened, come out after the half and get your doors completely blown off) is beyond me.

Nobody's happy about it. It just happened against a high quality team in November so it's not the end of the world.

16 points at half time is nothing especially in today's game. Heck it's not a safe lead with like 8 minutes left.

Add in that ISU made some mistakes and Auburn hit some long 3s and it's kind of remarkable that ISU had a solid chance that late.
 

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Defensive intensity was also lacking in the second half. Can't give up 50 points in 20 minutes and expect to beat a team like Auburn.

The on-ball defense was pretty bad. It's early and we haven't seen quickness and strength like that, but they were just blowing by us. That was part of the issue we had rebounding-- with our bigs constantly in rotation to help it's hard to find a body to box out.
 

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100%. Lots of CFers seemingly pretty happy about another nice little moral victory here. How anyone can be pleased with blowing a 16-point halftime lead (especially in the manner it happened, come out after the half and get your doors completely blown off) is beyond me.

That 16 point lead probably had alot to do with their second best player not being on the floor. With him in, they were a different team offensively.
 

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Our coaching staff is great and are great at putting in a gameplan to compete but definitely have a weakness when it comes to in game adjustments and coaching on the fly. We play a specific way, if that isn't working, we're going to struggle.
 
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I agree. Listen, we are really good, and all teams have scoring droughts. TJ is doing a great job, nobody is saying he isn't great. He is a young coach, and he is constantly up against the best coaches in the country with teams that have athletic freaks. His offensive staff/mind is just not on the same level as other guys at this point in his career.

Sweet 16 level is really really good, and he will eventually break through. But eventually, we are going to have to be more consistent on the offensive end in the half court, and we are going to have to figure out a way to slow down these crazy stretch 4's and really long, quick guards. Everyone has weaknesses, and this happens to be his. Add to that, we don't really get this 6'8 complete freak guys that can shoot it from 25 feet and can put it on the floor like some of the guys we are trying to beat.

Again, it's not a complaint, it's just where we are as a program right now, which is way better than where we have ever been before really.
They scored 81, I am more about point totals. A couple of years ago that was the point total for 2 games.

I mean Auburn had a scoring drought too... UNC had a scoring drought...
Dayton had a scoring drought...

Scoring droughts are how teams get up 18 and fall behind by 18, or in the case on UNC 21 points behind or give up a 21 point lead see Dayton

If they can put up 80 a game they are an elite 8 team...
 
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Defensive intensity was also lacking in the second half. Can't give up 50 points in 20 minutes and expect to beat a team like Auburn.

They were also hitting some bombs. From a defensive standpoint you are ok with hose shots but unfortunately Auburn was nailing them left and right. They also hit some tough mid range contested jumpers. It's not like we were giving up layups and dunks.
 

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One thing I really appreciate about this team is that we are getting out and playing with tempo when we get stops. Unfortunately, we didn't have that opportunity in the first 8 minutes because Auburn just kept making shots. That really took us out of the flow of the game IMO.
 
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The on-ball defense was pretty bad. It's early and we haven't seen quickness and strength like that, but they were just blowing by us. That was part of the issue we had rebounding-- with our bigs constantly in rotation to help it's hard to find a body to box out.
I only worry about 2 things
1) is Tamin healthy?
2) rebounding - Jackson only got 3
 

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ISU needs to draw a couple of set plays to use when they need a basket. Having Gilbert take it to the hoop doesn't work every time. Just cannot let a 16 point led get away from you with a long scoring draught. I used to love when we would put Niang on the block, put everyone else on the other side and let him go to work. This staff needs to figure something out that will get us 2 points to stop a run.
 
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