Playoffs

[isucy86]

It was but we played with fire 4 times - Iowa, UCF, Utah, and Tech. Only losing 1 of those is very favorable for us.

Just win baby!

Good teams win their close games. There is something about knowing how to win and executing when games are on the line. So I don't feel Iowa State should apologize for winning close games. The Hawkeyes have done it for years and we are seeing the same from the Kansas City Chiefs this season.

It has become sexy to pile on the points to "appease" the CFP committee. I wish the committee would make some kind of statement that victory spread isn't important. We saw PSU add a late touchdown yesterday and Ohio State did the same to Indiana the week before. That sure did help the Buckeyes yesterday! Karma can be a bit%h

 

[jdoggivjc]

It's not nearly as bad as those early committees where it was a room full of Big Ten legends and a nerdy Texas Tech AD.

Few of these guys are "sports celebrities" which is better than early committees
Ault - MWC/west
Gladchuck - Northeast/ACC/AAC
Grobe - ACC
Manuel - Big Ten
McDaniel - Pac/Big 12/ASU (closest to celeb picker)
Pinkel - SEC
Rhoades - Big 12
Riley - SEC/west coast
Saylor - ACC/Miami
Shields - Big Ten
Whiteside - no clear bias, kind of seems like a resume designed to say "hey I'm not biased as a job"
Williams - ACC as an AD, SEC as a student/player
Yuracheck - SEC

It's not awful but let's not pretend we have some significant presence. I'd take Pollard in a room with 12 Big Ten homers over what we have.

you know what would be less awful? if this "not so awful" committee would do something other than what ESPN told them to do.

 

[HFCS]

Just win baby!

Good teams win their close games. There is something about knowing how to win and executing when games are on the line. So I don't feel Iowa State should apologize for winning close games. The Hawkeyes have done it for years and we are seeing the same from the Kansas City Chiefs this season.

It has become sexy to pile on the points to "appease" the CFP committee. I wish the committee would make some kind of statement that victory spread isn't important. We saw PSU add a late touchdown yesterday and Ohio State did the same to Indiana the week before. That sure did help the Buckeyes yesterday! Karma can be a bit%h

Indiana did to Purdue what TCU did to us in 2014. Committee dropped TCU for it anyway but you can’t blame them.

 

[AlaCyclone]

They are being given so much consideration because one G5 school is essentially guaranteed a playoff spot by CFP rules. And BSU's only loss is by 3 points to Oregon. BSU can't apologize for who they play, any more than Iowa State. In the end it's about piling up wins. And it's why a 10-2 Iowa State should be in the CFP conversation vs. a 9-3 Alabama.

My guess is when the CFP rules were established, the P4 conferences were willing to accommodate the G5 schools because they view the G5 bid as a short-term give. Aka they expect the G5 schools to go winless in the CFP over the next few years and the auto bid will be rescinded. Who knows, the P4 folks might have been concerned about a G5 lawsuit if G5 schools were blocked from year 1.

I have no problem with Boise in general, but the elevation of Tulane was a joke. It's tricky, but they are dumping on the Big XII as much as they are elevating the G5 programs. I do not think a 1 loss MWC Champions should be ahead of a 2 loss Big XII, ACC, B1G or SEC Champion in genreal, but I do get it this year as a one off with BSU.

I disagree about their schedule though. They can control their OOC games, and I think a G5 that is considered for an AQ BYE spot should not play an FCS teams and should have at least one if not two P4 OOC wins to offset their conference weakness and be able to jump a P4 Champion for the BYE.

There was a four way tie for first in the Big XII, and I would not jump Boise over either of the Big XII CCG teams because they both not only palyed tougher schedules overall, they also both beat a P4 team OOC. Just my onion. Not anti G5, but they need a super compelling case to get that BYE spot, and BSU does not have it over ASU or ISU IMO. In the Playoff, yes! AQ Bye spot, no way.

 

[jdoggivjc]

Would love to host one of these SEC frauds at Trice. Alabama is sloppy and undisciplined. Georgia slightly better but Beck sucks. Texas we know all too well is a fake ID. Tennessee I think is the only decent team of the bunch.

And that "only decent team of the bunch" Tennessee team lost to Arkansas, who lost to by far the Big 12's worst team in OSU. But that's totally been swept under the rug because "it just matters more".

 

[AlaCyclone]

Indiana did to Purdue what TCU did to us in 2014. Committee dropped TCU for it anyway but you can’t blame them.

Man, that was nasty! What has happened to Purdue?

 

[HFCS]

Man, that was nasty! What has happened to Purdue?

66-0 loss to Indiana making sure they get in or trying to host.

 

[AlaCyclone]

And that "only decent team of the bunch" Tennessee team lost to Arkansas, who lost to by far the Big 12's worst team in OSU. But that's totally been swept under the rug because "it just matters more".

Since the SEC teams are all such frauds, ISU should reach out and offer to schedule a home and home with each and every one of them. Whichever team(s) say yes, Go for It! Better than watching ISU play North Dakota or Ark. State.

 

[jdoggivjc]

I have no problem with Boise in general, but the elevation of Tulane was a joke. It's tricky, but they are dumping on the Big XII as much as they are elevating the G5 programs. I do nto thingk a 1 loss Boise should be ahead of a 2 loss Big XII, ACC, B1G or SEC Champion, but I do get it this year. I disagree about their schedule though. They can control their OOC games, and I think a G5 that is considered for an AQ BYE spot should not play an FCS teams and should have at least one if not two P4 OOC wins to offset their conference weakness and be able to jump a P4 Champion for the BYE. There was a four way tie for first in the Big XII, and I would not jump Boise over either of the Big XII CCG teams. Just my onion. Not anti G5, but they need a super compelling case to get that BYE spot, and BSU does nto have it over ASU or ISU IMO.

I think Boise St is extremely overrated based on name recognition, having a Heisman frontrunner, and being undefeated against a schedule where they've played absolutely nobody outside of losing a close game to the #1 team (and their best win being against, well, I'll give them credit and say an underrated UNLV team).

IMO Boise St should be rated right around us, not at #10 and holding the bye spot hostage.

 

[isucy86]

Indiana did to Purdue what TCU did to us in 2014. Committee dropped TCU for it anyway but you can’t blame them.

I didn't catch the IU game yesterday, but yea was a 66-0 drubbing necessary for the committee benefit? Especially after what Ohio State did to Indiana the week before when Indiana's coach was obviously trying to manage the score in the last 10 minutes to keep the game close and Ryan Day went for a TD after his own player took a knee at the 1.

I'm going to go old man, get off my grass- but sportsmanship is dead in sport. And we are seeing the effect with fights after games and stupid personal foul penalties. But my guess is it will only get worse unless the NCAA or Conferences step in.

 

[CycloneDaddy]

Man, that was nasty! What has happened to Purdue?

Holy **** … Purdue had 67 yards on offense.

 

[HFCS]

I didn't catch the IU game yesterday, but yea was a 66-0 drubbing necessary for the committee benefit? Especially after what Ohio State did to Indiana the week before when Indiana's coach was obviously trying to manage the score in the last 10 minutes to keep the game close.

I'm going to go old man, get off my grass- but sportsmanship is dead in sport. And we are seeing the effect with fights after games and stupid personal foul penalties. But my guess is it will only get worse unless the NCAA or Conferences step in.

Historically winning by 40+ helps the favored special brands but doesn’t help as much for others.

I doubt it did much for Indiana but if Alabama had scored 66 on Auburn the media and committee would have peed their pants with joy.

 

[1SEIACLONE]

Deserved or not, SMU is in. If Clemson somehow beats them in the ACC CCG, they're squeezing someone out from the SEC.

A two loss SMU will not get in over a three loss Alabama or S Carolina, which just beat Clemson that SMU would have lost too in the championship game. Too much money in play for the SEC to let that money go to the ACC, the SEC and B10 are calling the shots here and will make sure they get 4 teams each for the playoff.

 

[wintersmd]

A two loss SMU will not get in over a three loss Alabama or S Carolina, which just beat Clemson that SMU would have lost too in the championship game. Too much money in play for the SEC to let that money go to the ACC, the SEC and B10 are calling the shots here and will make sure they get 4 teams each for the playoff.

I totally agree with this. I would like to see the Big12, ACC and the rest of the conferences join together and say F you to the CFP committee, the SEC and the BIG10 and go back to regular Bowl games. Each conference will have a conference championship game and the conference champs only play in a playoff. Cancel all games with the BIG10 and SEC until the conferences get fair recognition at the table. When they start playing each other in non conference games, maybe they will think twice about their conference strength. JMO.

 

[bosco]

If Boise wins and Iowa State wins, it will be criminal to put Boise ahead of Iowa State. Iowa State would have a Top 15 win (ASU), Top 25 win (KSU), at Iowa (8-4), Baylor (8-4). Our resume, while not amazing, would be better than many teams in the playoff and 100x better than Boise who would have UNLV x2 as their only decent wins. ISU’s resume would be way better than Indiana whose marquee win is against 7-5 Washington and 7-5 Michigan. Also, their non-con was FIU, W Illinois, and Charlotte.

I fully expect the committee to screw the Big 12 but LOOK AT THE ACTUAL RESUMES - the committee has done an awful job from 12-18 in the rankings. A 2-loss Tulane who lost at home to the Big 12’s 8th place team…

Then they'll say but they have only 1 loss. We'll then point at Alabama with 3 losses. But then they'll say but look at their wins. Then our heads will explode.

 

[ClubCy]

I totally agree with this. I would like to see the Big12, ACC and the rest of the conferences join together and say F you to the CFP committee, the SEC and the BIG10 and go back to regular Bowl games. Each conference will have a conference championship game and the conference champs only play in a playoff. Cancel all games with the BIG10 and SEC until the conferences get fair recognition at the table. When they start playing each other in non conference games, maybe they will think twice about their conference strength. JMO.

With what leverage? They are already trying to set up a scheduling agreement to box out playing against us. Media partners don’t need us other than inventory. SEC and Big 10 hold all the cards.

 

[wintersmd]

With what leverage? They are already trying to set up a scheduling agreement to box out playing against us. Media partners don’t need us other than inventory. SEC and Big 10 hold all the cards.

Then let them play by themselves. We can sit back and ***** and complain about not getting respect and how the BIG10/SEC are trying to control everything, or we can change it. Media will still need inventory, that will not change.
Sooner or later the SEC and the BIG10 will get sick of playing each other because they will no longer have the "cupcake" schedule they play now. F'em.

 

[CycloneSpinning]

If Boise wins and Iowa State wins, it will be criminal to put Boise ahead of Iowa State. Iowa State would have a Top 15 win (ASU), Top 25 win (KSU), at Iowa (8-4), Baylor (8-4). Our resume, while not amazing, would be better than many teams in the playoff and 100x better than Boise who would have UNLV x2 as their only decent wins. ISU’s resume would be way better than Indiana whose marquee win is against 7-5 Washington and 7-5 Michigan. Also, their non-con was FIU, W Illinois, and Charlotte.

I fully expect the committee to screw the Big 12 but LOOK AT THE ACTUAL RESUMES - the committee has done an awful job from 12-18 in the rankings. A 2-loss Tulane who lost at home to the Big 12’s 8th place team…

I think one thing that would help a lot would be no rankings until after the fourth game. Let everyone get through the non-conference and their first conference game before declaring a top-25.

 

[ClubCy]

Then let them play by themselves. We can sit back and ***** and complain about not getting respect and how the BIG10/SEC are trying to control everything, or we can change it. Media will still need inventory, that will not change.
Sooner or later the SEC and the BIG10 will get sick of playing each other because they will no longer have the "cupcake" schedule they play now. F'em.

Agree to disagree but that’s not how it would go down. It would create an even greater divide between them and us.

 

[wintersmd]

Agree to disagree but that’s not how it would go down. It would create an even greater divide between them and us.

But at some point the mid level teams will get sick of going into the conference with 2 or possibly 3 losses. Add in a couple conference losses and they could have 5-7 losses each year. Teams like Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota, USC, OlMiss, Arkansas, Kentucky. They are already creating a huge divide between the other conferences and them and that will never change. We can either sit back, ***** about it and take it or we can try and change it. It will not be long before the SEC/Big10 take over the NCAA Basketball Tournament. They are just like Texas, once you give them a little bit of power they want it all. like I said, F'em.