Playoffs

[HFCS]

Oh yes, in terms of seeding you're right. I was just talking in terms of comparing to at large teams.
Will be interesting to see how the rankings shake out tomorrow. I'd assume that Arizona State and Iowa State creep up a little on Boise due to Clemson dropping and being more impressive in their wins but as it stands now they have a lot of ground to make up so it appears likely that Boise has the inside track on the 4th seed. Just having 1 loss helps them and that close loss to Oregon carries a lot of clout I'm sure.

I wonder where Boise would be ranked if they actually beat Oregon but had one conf loss. Maybe no diff, but I’d feel better having them in top ten and above big 12 and maybe above acc.

I don’t care at all that they are in, I want them in, but the fact they’re automatically considered higher seed than big 12 champ shows a flaw in committee and AP poll. The computer 1/3 of the old better bcs formula would have countered that somewhat where winner of ISU/asu would be 5-7 spots higher than bsu.

 

[ElephantPie]

It matters big time for seeding.

Almost no computers have bsu > big 12 yet virtually all humans who matter do. They play against easy teams, it should at least be a close decision, not a fore gone conclusion.

The conspiracy theorist in me wants to say the committee is setting things up to give the #5 team (will probably be an at-large team from a P2 conf with a large fanbase) the easiest path to the final four football teams.

If you were the #5 team, would you rather play a G5 school with 2 weeks prep followed by a P4 school that's been preparing for you for 3.5 weeks
OR
play the P4 school 1st with 2 weeks of prep by both of you followed by the G5 school that has the extra time to prep for you but likely doesn't make a big difference.

 

[StLouisClone]

Boise State, Texas, Penn State, Indiana and Notre Dame are the teams that are locks without having a great win. SMU could possibly get in without a great win, depends if you count beating Clemson as a great win.

Penn State and Texas can definitely change that. Indiana and Notre Dame should be treated as if they lose a CCG next week.

Boise State is not a lock

 

[Darius Bieber]

Boise State is not a lock

If UNLV beats them in Boise on Friday, UNLV is in and Boise is out. The MWC championship game is a win and in the playoffs game just as the Big 12 is.

 

[ForbinsAscynt]

I get it might be difficult to have a neutral site game in the MW but Boise playing on their home (heinous) turf is just ridiculous. I understand not wanting it in Vegas but at least pick Denver or Phoenix.

 

[clone52]

@Penn St scares me the most for 1st round road trips. Would have to hope for some wet snow blizzard.

Penn State and Tennessee would be fine. Neither one has very many good wins.

 

[nfrine]

The only real question is do the hoks get a January bowl bid...right?

 

[SolterraCyclone]

I get it might be difficult to have a neutral site game in the MW but Boise playing on their home (heinous) turf is just ridiculous. I understand not wanting it in Vegas but at least pick Denver or Phoenix.

Denver and Phoenix are not close at all to Boise. It’s a 12 hour drive to Denver. Like 20 to Phoenix.

It’s a shorter drive from Ames to Denver than Boise

 

[SolterraCyclone]

Penn State and Tennessee would be fine. Neither one has very many good wins.

Penn State’s offense isn’t that great and is fine letting the defense win their game for them. I like our chances better there since it should theoretically be a closer game. Also their coach isn’t that great, can’t win a big game, and always seems to have one foot out the door.

Either game will be a bear though.

 

[clone52]

They're ranked 4th. Losing to #1 Oregon doesn't drop them 9 spots.
Whether we like it or not, ranking going into the final week matters.

Well, they were ranked #4 when they had 5 wins over teams with a winning record.

Now they hav 2 wins over teams with a winning record. Illinois and Minnesota.

 

[ForbinsAscynt]

Denver and Phoenix are not close at all to Boise. It’s a 12 hour drive to Denver. Like 20 to Phoenix.

It’s a shorter drive from Ames to Denver than Boise

What’s your point? UNLV is also playing. Why are they forced to play an away game for the MW championship?

 

[ISU_Guy]

What’s your point? UNLV is also playing. Why are they forced to play an away game for the MW championship?

well crap, am i the only one who thought this game was neutral?
you don't have a serious conference is you are hosting the conference title game IMO.

No way Boise loses on the smurf turf.

 

[KidSilverhair]

They are seeded 4th, not ranked 4th. If they lose to UNLV, they are no longer an AQ and will drop to their true rank line which would be outside the at-large pool.

He was talking about Penn State, not Boise State

 

[AlaCyclone]

He was talking about Penn State, not Boise State

OHHHH! Got it!
Penn State will not drop much if they lose in Indy.
The game is simply winner in Rose Bowl, loser hosts a game in Round 1.

 

[AlaCyclone]

Penn State and Tennessee would be fine. Neither one has very many good wins.

Either one would be fine. I'm fine with any matchup that is thrown ISU's way. They would all be new experiences, and if they are good enough - they will win.

 

[ForbinsAscynt]

well crap, am i the only one who thought this game was neutral?
you don't have a serious conference is you are hosting the conference title game IMO.

No way Boise loses on the smurf turf.

I had to look it up. Apparently some of the G5 conference championship games are home games for the regular season champ. Not sure how I missed that.

 

[Cloned4Life]

So it is possible that our bowl game might end up being an away game to Notre Dame or Penn State? Is there going to be additional things going on to make it feel like a bowl game? Or are these 1st round away games associated with a Bowl?

Correct. Our award for winning the Big 12 (a P4 conference...) will be playing the most difficult away game in our history as a program, where the entire world will be heavily betting (literally) on us (and hoping, praying, talking into existence) to get trounced. That's the reward.

 

[cycloneworld]

Taking a closer look at Boise’s wins, here are the records of the teams they’ve beaten. The teams they’ve beaten have a COMBINED 5 wins against P4 teams. And only 2 of those P4 teams had a winning record. As a comparison, Iowa State beat 4 teams who had 5+ P4 wins alone.

Boise has no business being a Top 4 seed, even with a win. And it’s a hill I’ll die on.

Georgia Southern (8-4, 0 P4 wins)
Portland State (3-8, FBS)
Washington State (8-4, 2 wins over P4 Texas Tech and Washington)
Utah State (4-8, 0 P4 wins)
Hawaii (5-7, 0 P4 wins)
UNLV (10-2, 2 wins over P4 against 5-7 KU and 4-8 Houston)
San Diego State (3-10, 0 P4 wins)
Nevada (3-9, 0 P4 wins)
San Jose State (7-5, 1 P4 win against 3-9 Stanford)
Wyoming (3-9, 0 P4 wins)
Oregon State (5-7, 0 P4 wins)

 

[ForeverIowan]

They got 1.53 million viewers against Nevada in week 11, so they have the ability to get as many eyeballs as we do this year because folks want to see Jeanty do something superhuman. Besides, the brand gap between Clemson and ASU/ISU is much larger than the gap between ASU/ISU and BSU. It's not really and apples-to-apples comparison.

If anyone thinks Jeanty is gonna do anything superhuman against a CFP oppenent and legit top 10 team in the country in a win or go home scenario theyve got another thing coming. It wont be a Mountain West defense he is going up against. I personally am just surprised if they want competitve games they are pushing Boise State. The Big 12 and ACC Champ will be far more battle tested.

 

[iowastatefan1929]

Boise St worse than Taco Tech and Kansas per Sagarin. Its a gift to be able to play them, not even saying it would be a win, but they are by far the worst team in the field of 12 if they win this weekend.