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“real fans” are often fans of college football the same way “real” nfl fans still watch playoff games and the superbowl when their team isn’t in it.

I watch a lot of games that aren't my team. I mean I watch/listen to maybe 300 NBA games a year and I don't really even have a team.

What I don't get is people that aren't Lakers/Celtics fans who got more excited to watch Lakers/Celtics than say the year the Kings were better than the Lakers and beat them if not for dubious refs. I mean, the Kings being NBA champion is REALLY exciting to me. The lakers or celtics getting another one is the most boring thing in the universe I could possibly imagine. But apparently casual fan is exactly opposite of me.

It is changing for me in college football that I can no longer watch games that just involve SEC/Big Ten when they're forces actively trying to destroy the sport and my program. Years ago I'd have been fine watching a Big Ten great matchup or BIg Ten/SEC in the national championship, now it's really gross, feels like cheering for the Soviet Union, why would I bother?
 

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To me from one view it definitely looks like he lowers the crown at the last minute and I'd call it top of the helmet.

From the first/live view I thought it was pretty straight up.

The replay officials clearly are not up to the task of calling this consistently, it's time to end the experiment or at least reduce the penalty. Another thing they could do is "if it's close, it's targeting".
I don’t think it’s that deep.

It’s clear Targeting. It was obvious in real-time, it was obvious after review, and its crystal clear an hour later. It would have been a HUGE call that went against Texas. A business decision was made to ensure a call of that magnitude would NOT go against Texas. And there will be ZERO repercussions for it. The officials (and the powers that be) will sleep well tonight.
 

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I think it’s too funny that pasadena selfish rule about wanting to see sunset at a particular time In the game probably cost them some viewership.
 

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I was also wondering that... but I don't think just because a ball was tipped means you can just lay out a defenseless receiver, right?
Look at it this way. If the ball got batted down and someone hit a receiver like that, wouldn't it be a penalty? I sure if it was a burnt orange jersey the call would be made.
 
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So it's not a helmet to helmet hit because the ball was tipped? That's a scary thought.
I said the defenseless receiver is waved due to it being tipped. I don’t think it was crown of the helmet. Was it helmet to helmet, yes. I also agree that this targeting rule is poor. I don’t think the defender was intentionally trying to target the receiver, if they would have called targeting I would not have been surprised. I have seen that specific hit being waved off more and more.
 
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^ Just for fun.

I'm not sure if this was the case here with the non-targeting call, but there is a lot of money on the line for Texas to advance, and it's hard for me to believe that a replay official would be that inept at their job.
 
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I don’t think it’s that deep.

It’s clear Targeting. It was obvious in real-time, it was obvious after review, and its crystal clear an hour later. It would have been a HUGE call that went against Texas. A business decision was made to ensure a call of that magnitude would NOT go against Texas. And there will be ZERO repercussions for it. The officials (and the powers that be) will sleep well tonight.

It's less defensible as a replay call. I really cant blame any call for being wrong live.

There's also kind of a crazy double standard that some things can be reviewed and some can't. The NBA has actually improved in that, not every play gets reviewed, but when a coach uses a challenge they can review really absolutely anything including blown foul calls.
 
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You can’t target but if the ball is in the air, you are taught to hit the receiver so he can’t catch it if you don’t think you have a shot at it. Once it’s tipped they are no longer a receiver.

The easiest example is, can a QB throw a forward pass to themselves with no one touching it? No. Has to touch someone else.
Not really sure what this has to do with the Targeting call. To reiterate, the Targeting on the play today (that should be been called, very obviously) has no relation - in any way - to the ball being tipped. It is silly and disingenuous to keep referencing a tipped pass.

To add, a player does not have to be a “receiver” to be deemed “defenseless”. It’s part of the core of the Targeting rule and the long history of how it’s evolved.
 

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On the second point - it was a tipped ball. Umpire signaled it immediately. This would erase any PI calls, but not targeting. The receiver is still considered to be defenseless while trying to make a play on the ball.
Thats why I said it waved defenseless receiver and didn’t say it waved targeting
 

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You can’t target but if the ball is in the air, you are taught to hit the receiver so he can’t catch it if you don’t think you have a shot at it. Once it’s tipped they are no longer a receiver.

The easiest example is, can a QB throw a forward pass to themselves with no one touching it? No. Has to touch someone else.
You aren't getting it.... yes you can interfere with a receiver if the ball is tipped... but you still cannot lower your head and hit them helmet to helmet and target them. It's two different things. It was targeting... plain and simple. He did lower his head before contact.
 

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I think it’s too funny that pasadena selfish rule about wanting to see sunset at a particular time In the game probably cost them some viewership.
Everyone knows that farts smell best at sunset. Peak fart sniffing is desired at the transition between 3rd and 4th quarter.
 
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The other thing ASU just proved is that Auto-bids are fine. The 12 team format is fine. These byes are the only thing keeping the conference championship games relevant in the BIG and SEC

The people with gripes need to shut up and win their games. Don’t like the bye? Win your games. Think you deserve a bid with 3 losses? WIN YOUR GAMES
This is exactly why you give preferential seeding to the conference champions.

The ranking is mostly subjective given the dearth of head-to-head results. This is exactly where bias can play an outsized effect.

The story was that the Big 12 far inferior to the Big 10 and SEC.

Without autobids and preferential seeding ASU would have been the #12 seed. They would have opened on the road at ND and faced a well-rested PSU if they won.

Texas would have been given a bye (along with Georgia and Oregon).

Tennessee and Indiana would have opened with home games.

A total of 7 Big 10 and SEC teams would have had massive advantage in the first round (only ND spoiling their private party).

Only Alabama (Alabama!) would have played a road game.

If you get rid of the byes for the top 4 CCG winners then you should at least play the games on neutral fields.

Aside: Given how it is playing out it may be seen as an advantage to avoid the layoff and start off with a home game.
 

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I'm going to post this text again. The targeting rule is:

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(1) A player takes aim at an opponent for the purposes of attacking with forcible contact with the crown of the helmet.

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(2) A player takes aim at a defenseless opponent for the purposes of attacking with forcible contact to the head or neck area.
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Note that it says "player" and "opponent", not "receiver".
 

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Texas has reached their ceiling. Their offense went silent for two and a half quarters. ASU missing that player who had to sit out half the game because of targeting may have cost them the game on Texas first touchdown. iMHo. Don’t know how finnebaum will spin this and I don’t care. SEC has been exposed this year.
 

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It doesn't have an impact on today's games, no. It does add to the viewership numbers of conferences that are trying to snuff us out. I'll follow the scores, but I'm absolutely done contributing to the machine this year.

I'd love to believe that me watching or not makes a difference but I know it doesn't.
 
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