Williams & Blum Pod: ISU raises prices, bowl win, foul play in the CFP?

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Not exactly sure.
I get what you’re saying with supply and demand, and I don’t have a probleM at all with the Service Now engineer example. That makes complete sense to me.

With Dak or other similarly paid players; though, I do take issue. At a certain point I feel like you’ve forgotten the point of why you play…or at least why people like the game you play. At $60 million a year, Dak Prescott is an impediment to his team’s winning chances…and in my opinion, as a fan, you can very reasonably go from liking the player to no longer wanting him on your team, because he no longer lines up with the goals of the fanbase.
You give me $60 million a year and everyone that follows that sport can hate me as much as they want. You can even throw semi hard stuff at me, if I have a helmet on. If someone can get what seems to be a stupid salary, good for them.
 

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You give me $60 million a year and everyone that follows that sport can hate me as much as they want. You can even throw semi hard stuff at me, if I have a helmet on. If someone can get what seems to be a stupid salary, good for them.
I say you’re wrong…and I think you know it. Because you plus $60 million and everyone hates you sucks. Even if your wife still loves you, that’s a lot of time to spend with one person. You could give me a billion dollars, and Disneyland all to myself for the rest of my life…and it would suck within 10 days.
 

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Why do they play?

The NFL is a job. It’s reasonable that they play for several reasons, including getting as much wealth as possible.

For many college athletes, playing is also a means to an end, and that’s been true for a long time

The amount Dak gets isn’t an issue. It’s what you get in return that makes it suboptimal to the fan’s hopes, which don’t really matter anyway

The Cowboys goal is to make money. Winning generally helps in that, but Jerry is a master of keeping Dallas as a draw and helping the league make money regardless. The league, and thus the Cowboys, will make money even if Dallas spends too much on its QB
But no kid grows up playing out receiving a check for $60 million. It’s 2 minutes left to win the Super Bowl with the ball in your hands. It’s shot at the buzzer and the crowd goes wild. Come on guys, you know this stuff. At a certain point the money becomes a distraction…
 
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I say you’re wrong…and I think you know it. Because you plus $60 million and everyone hates you sucks. Even if your wife still loves you, that’s a lot of time to spend with one person. You could give me a billion dollars, and Disneyland all to myself for the rest of my life…and it would suck within 10 days.
I said everyone that follows that sport. There are less people that follow sports than don’t. You ask 100 people on a city street who Dak Prescott is and most likely less than half will know. You can ask me nearly any current baseball player and I’m clueless, NBA I may get 5%, hockey even less and 0 in soccer.
 

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But no kid grows up playing out receiving a check for $60 million. It’s 2 minutes left to win the Super Bowl with the ball in your hands. It’s shot at the buzzer and the crowd goes wild. Come on guys, you know this stuff. At a certain point the money becomes a distraction…

Then they reach high school, and dream of becoming wealthy.

You’re wrong and I think you know it. Most adults will have no issue getting paid what the market will bear
 
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I say you’re wrong…and I think you know it. Because you plus $60 million and everyone hates you sucks. Even if your wife still loves you, that’s a lot of time to spend with one person. You could give me a billion dollars, and Disneyland all to myself for the rest of my life…and it would suck within 10 days.
Nobody who is offered a $60 million dollar deal is going in with the attitude that they're going to fail or regret signing the contract. If you're in a position to make that kind of money, it's because you have performed. These are athletes at the top of a very competitive game. You don't get to that point without being fully confident in yourself, your worth, and the mental certainty that you are not only going to live up to the deal you're signing, but outperform it. These are not guys who are laying awake at night, afraid that the public might resent them for making money.
 

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This podcast made me emotional and sad.

It was partially set up by being over anxious to get the pod for several days after beating Miami in a weird and exciting bowl game plus our top 5 basketball team taking care of business in the house of horrors that is Colorado.

Then I basically got the reminder that the sport I love most (college football) has become fully commercialized and as a result will be inaccessible to many programs and fans as we move forward. And got further clarity about the thought that’s been in the back of my head for months now, Iowa St athletics is currently living on a knife’s edge. We are patching things together to keep it afloat while being in the most successful period we’ve ever had in the two major sports. If and when the pendulum swings back the other direction, all the off the field things could snowball downhill fast.
 

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The gambling genie isn't going back in the bottle, and it isn't ISU athletics' job to take a moral stand against something that is perfectly legal. I'd advise taking your beef with gambling up with the government.
We just need to find a loophole that allows us to be another option of DraftKing or any other gambling site. Do we know any good attorneys out there?
 

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This podcast made me emotional and sad.

It was partially set up by being over anxious to get the pod for several days after beating Miami in a weird and exciting bowl game plus our top 5 basketball team taking care of business in the house of horrors that is Colorado.

Then I basically got the reminder that the sport I love most (college football) has become fully commercialized and as a result will be inaccessible to many programs and fans as we move forward. And got further clarity about the thought that’s been in the back of my head for months now, Iowa St athletics is currently living on a knife’s edge. We are patching things together to keep it afloat while being in the most successful period we’ve ever had in the two major sports. If and when the pendulum swings back the other direction, all the off the field things could snowball downhill fast.
I know it’s been talked about but we honestly are so beyond lucky we have Matt and TJ right now. We would be way up a creek and without a paddle and that’s putting it very mildly. They are a god send and without them right now, we would be so so screwed.
 

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Nobody who is offered a $60 million dollar deal is going in with the attitude that they're going to fail or regret signing the contract. If you're in a position to make that kind of money, it's because you have performed. These are athletes at the top of a very competitive game. You don't get to that point without being fully confident in yourself, your worth, and the mental certainty that you are not only going to live up to the deal you're signing, but outperform it. These are not guys who are laying awake at night, afraid that the public might resent them for making money.
And within a year they are gone from that team/position the fans will then be yelling at the new person there.
 

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It wasn’t targeting because the powers way above my pay grade did not want ASU to win that game let alone on that call.
How do you explain the targeting call that should have been called earlier on Arizona St on the interception? It fits the definition of a defenseless receiver to a T.

I'm not defending Texas or the officials,,but maybe they blew the call a few minutes earlier and decided to call it evenly.
 

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How do you explain the targeting call that should have been called earlier on Arizona St on the interception? It fits the definition of a defenseless receiver to a T.

I'm not defending Texas or the officials,,but maybe they blew the call a few minutes earlier and decided to call it evenly.

That’s even worse. That’s the refs REALLY putting a finger on the scale. They aren’t the show. Miss a call? Okay great it happens. Move on and call the next one per the rules. Then try to do that to the best of your abilities on every play.
 

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We are patching things together to keep it afloat while being in the most successful period we’ve ever had in the two major sports
Has anyone stopped to think we are in the midst of our "most successful period" right now becuase of all these changes?

We just came within a game of making the playoffs, does anyone actually think that happens with the old Big 12 or something resembling a round-robin schedule?

This year proved that we can basically go 9-3 and have a chance at the playoffs now. If we lose the Iowa game it doesn't matter. All we have to do is go 7-2 in conference then win the CCG. I'd even argue there will be years where tied at 6-3 will get you into the CCG. Then it's a matter of winning that for a CFP bid.

I get the angst for ESPN, NIL, the Big 10, SEC, etc, but from a pure football perspective I jsut don't understand how this is so bad for us.
 

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That’s like saying a casino won’t make money. It takes some pretty bad decisions to lose money on alcohol with the markups you can get to in an event/stadium atmosphere.
And if you want proof of that, just ask yourself how many of these schools that have allowed alcohol sales, have since gone back to not allowing it?

If it was a net negative, wouldn't you expect some schools to reverse course?
 
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Has anyone stopped to think we are in the midst of our "most successful period" right now becuase of all these changes?

We just came within a game of making the playoffs, does anyone actually think that happens with the old Big 12 or something resembling a round-robin schedule?

This year proved that we can basically go 9-3 and have a chance at the playoffs now. If we lose the Iowa game it doesn't matter. All we have to do is go 7-2 in conference then win the CCG. I'd even argue there will be years where tied at 6-3 will get you into the CCG. Then it's a matter of winning that for a CFP bid.

I get the angst for ESPN, NIL, the Big 10, SEC, etc, but from a pure football perspective I jsut don't understand how this is so bad for us.
That's a good point. I honestly don't know how much of our current success can be attributed to the new landscape. It's hard to quantify, but it's certainly one of the factors. You can come on this site every single day, and find someone posting something about how horrible college sports have become and how the game is "ruined" but there's no denying that it has coincided with arguably the most successful period of Iowa State sports in history. At the very worst, you can say that ISU hasn't really been affected by it. Very few losses of impact players, despite the disadvantages we have.
Coaching, realignment, culture, etc all factor as well, but so far, the doom and gloom that a lot of folks have been hollering about with such fervor, hasn't occurred, and instead we've seen better results than we had been seeing previously.
 

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How do you explain the targeting call that should have been called earlier on Arizona St on the interception? It fits the definition of a defenseless receiver to a T.

I'm not defending Texas or the officials,,but maybe they blew the call a few minutes earlier and decided to call it evenly.
So that’s what you think they’re doing? Stop play and review this….ope, we missed a call earlier and this one was very obvious so screw it….
 

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This podcast made me emotional and sad.

It was partially set up by being over anxious to get the pod for several days after beating Miami in a weird and exciting bowl game plus our top 5 basketball team taking care of business in the house of horrors that is Colorado.

Then I basically got the reminder that the sport I love most (college football) has become fully commercialized and as a result will be inaccessible to many programs and fans as we move forward. And got further clarity about the thought that’s been in the back of my head for months now, Iowa St athletics is currently living on a knife’s edge. We are patching things together to keep it afloat while being in the most successful period we’ve ever had in the two major sports. If and when the pendulum swings back the other direction, all the off the field things could snowball downhill fast.
This is where I’m at. We have the best staff and admin in school history in my view, and we are plugging holes in the dike (and doing a good job of it too). But you wonder for how long?

Hopefully the more stable environment Blum speaks of comes to fruition, and the sooner the better
 

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Not to get political but remembered this video as it relates to pay and economic advantages in sports.