No. 3 ISU's Nate Heise vows to banish shooting struggles Tuesday against UCF

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Agreed - zero x zero is still zero! Score or ride pine. Put Indrusitus in since Heise is a bust right now. MVC teams are not B12 level - might be too much for him!
Never played basketball huh?
 

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Gilbert n Tamin can both be a factor from the 3pt line…. Just have get in a rhythm
Absolutely they can. But they are guys that want to drive first. If you’re guarding them, you are much more worried about the drive than the 3. If they hit a 3, you can live with that. Curtis and Milan, defenders need to be up on them at all costs. Which opens up the lane for the bigs and for driving. No one else on the roster has shown that they can consistently hit an open 3.
 

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Definitely in a funk. He’s 4/19 from the field and 0/10 from 3 in conference play. And most of those shots are wide open or a drive to the basket. He’s also only shot 4 FTs (1/4) in conference play. Aggression taking the ball to the rim and making some FTs might help get his confidence back.

We know he’s capable. He was 4/7 against Iowa and 3/3 against Marquette so we know he can do it against P6 teams.
 
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Just keep playing the way you've been playing, and the shots will start falling.
Agree, same for Jefferson. If you’re open, you’re open, regardless
Thinking more unforced TOs etc.

Gilbert only put up 7 shots vs. KU and ended with 7 points.
He’s looking to drive every time and teams are not allowing him to do that. He’s not getting to the hoop on fast breaks as much either, teams are focusing on getting back instead of crashing the glass. He’s still getting assists and steals, just not looking to shoot the three.
 
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It was against worse competition , but he shot 46% from the field and 35.6% from 3 last year. He's also being asked to defend at a completely different level, so his legs are bound to feel more fatigue as he season progresses. A few 'off' games were to be expected. He still grabbed 5 boards and defended well.

Hopefully a home game can restore some confidence for him and everyone on the team. Overanalyzing a road game against a good WVU when the entire team shot bad isn't going to accomplish much. Heise has proven he can play at this level.
Agree that he has proven in his 4+ year career that he can get it done offensively. There may be a difference in the team defense at UNI vs. ISU but Nate was regularly their stopper almost always guarding the opponent's best back court player (1-3 at least). He is no stranger to working hard on defense.
 

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He’s been doing everything that’s been asked by the coaches; defense, offensive and defensive rebounds, cuts to the basket. Just hasn’t made some open 3s.

Tamin and Jefferson have similar 3 point % (.30% & .20%) but no one on here is calling those guys out for not shooting the 3 better.
 
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Once the opponents start playing box and 1 or sagging man, we will have trouble in the paint. They are daring Heise and Jefferson to shoot the deep ball. I know everyone loves Watson, but he is not the answer offensively; and we can’t hate on Gilbert’s hero for zero ball, cause there are no other scoring options - low chance of scoring either way.
 

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Definitely in a funk. He’s 4/19 from the field and 0/10 from 3 in conference play. And most of those shots are wide open or a drive to the basket. He’s also only shot 4 FTs (1/4) in conference play. Aggression taking the ball to the rim and making some FTs might help get his confidence back.

We know he’s capable. He was 4/7 against Iowa and 3/3 against Marquette so we know he can do it against P6 teams.

Very similar to how Gilbert and Jones started Big 12 play last year, in terms of 3-point shooting. Gilbert and Jones started a combined 2/17 through the first 4 games. Then the TCU game happened and everything changed.
 

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Once the opponents start playing box and 1 or sagging man, we will have trouble in the paint. They are daring Heise and Jefferson to shoot the deep ball. I know everyone loves Watson, but he is not the answer offensively; and we can’t hate on Gilbert’s hero for zero ball, cause there are no other scoring options - low chance of scoring either way.
lol Bill Fennelly is the only D1 basketball coach that ever runs a box and 1. You use a box and 1 to defend a single player.
 

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Yikes, tough crowd. Sometimes I wonder if we all watch the same game. Yes, I wish Heise scored 10 points a game just like you all do. I see a guy who seems to always be in the right place at the right time. Heise is the kind of player that will get 75% of the 50/50 balls. Coaches will make a spot on the rotation for kids like that. Every team needs a player like that, even if it comes with a lower field goal percentage when he shoots it.
 

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I enjoy seeing people being critical of a jump shot and how it looks or needs to be corrected. Ray Allen had about the most text book jump shot out there. Reggie Miller did not. Both highly successful because they got a ton of shots up and made the mechanics works. Larry Bird shot from behind his head. Halliburton has an ugly shot. They still work. More than one way to skin a cat.
 
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Once the opponents start playing box and 1 or sagging man, we will have trouble in the paint. They are daring Heise and Jefferson to shoot the deep ball. I know everyone loves Watson, but he is not the answer offensively; and we can’t hate on Gilbert’s hero for zero ball, cause there are no other scoring options - low chance of scoring either way.
I'm sure you didn't mean it to sound like this, but it reads like you're commenting on a team in a 4 or 5 game tailspin, not 15-2, 3rd ranked team in the country coming off one road loss.
 

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Heise needs to be a reliable threat to hit the 1 or 2 wide-ass open 3s he gets every game. He doesn’t have to create his own or force anything, just let it come to him. Otherwise he's not giving us anything that Watson doesn't also provide.
Not to turn it into a Watson derail, it just strikes me that they both rebound, defend, cut, and do the little things really well. To this point Nate has been getting the PT, but if he hasn't figured it out by the time Milan returns he may start losing minutes to DWat. Heise has more upside on O, but we haven't seen it much yet. If he's going to turn into a non-shooter I'd rather have Watson.

To be clear, I want both to be very successful. I would love for both of them to play to their abilities and not be offensive liabilities while continuing to do all the little things. More options are always better than fewer options.
I think people should check out the analytics on EvanMiya. You have to decrease the possessions to show statistics for Watson and Nojus, but much like last year and people wondering why Watson or Pavs weren’t getting minutes, the story is the same.

It’s a small sample size for both, particularly Watson, but the team efficiencies drop off dramatically with Nojus and even more so with Watson playing.

The analytics say that the 8, now 7 without Milan should be playing as much as they can, with Nojus and Watson stealing minutes if necessary.

Watson is a great defender, or at least has the ability to defend and rebound well. But for some reason that has not translated into good team defense when he’s played. Again, some of that might be sample size. But some of it also can be worse offense means more chances for the opponent to avoid your halfcourt defense and score in transition. I don’t know what the answer is.
 

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Yikes, tough crowd. Sometimes I wonder if we all watch the same game. Yes, I wish Heise scored 10 points a game just like you all do. I see a guy who seems to always be in the right place at the right time. Heise is the kind of player that will get 75% of the 50/50 balls. Coaches will make a spot on the rotation for kids like that. Every team needs a player like that, even if it comes with a lower field goal percentage when he shoots it.

I haven't seen anything that extreme other than "Heise needs to make more shots" - which he does.

Heise does EVERYTHING right on the defensive end but we can't have him be a complete liability on offense, especially against good teams. We are playing 5 on 4 offensively with him out there right now. He's shooting 20% from the field, 0% from 3, and 25% from the FT line in conference play. But I think everyone knows he brings a lot to this team. The entire point of this thread and Rob's article is that he knows that needs to improve on the offensive end.
 

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Definitely in a funk. He’s 4/19 from the field and 0/10 from 3 in conference play. And most of those shots are wide open or a drive to the basket. He’s also only shot 4 FTs (1/4) in conference play. Aggression taking the ball to the rim and making some FTs might help get his confidence back.

We know he’s capable. He was 4/7 against Iowa and 3/3 against Marquette so we know he can do it against P6 teams.
I don't think you can consider Iowa a P6 defense. Maybe DII or DIII level defense.
 

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I think people should check out the analytics on EvanMiya. You have to decrease the possessions to show statistics for Watson and Nojus, but much like last year and people wondering why Watson or Pavs weren’t getting minutes, the story is the same.

It’s a small sample size for both, particularly Watson, but the team efficiencies drop off dramatically with Nojus and even more so with Watson playing.

The analytics say that the 8, now 7 without Milan should be playing as much as they can, with Nojus and Watson stealing minutes if necessary.

Watson is a great defender, or at least has the ability to defend and rebound well. But for some reason that has not translated into good team defense when he’s played. Again, some of that might be sample size. But some of it also can be worse offense means more chances for the opponent to avoid your halfcourt defense and score in transition. I don’t know what the answer is.

That’s a flawed conclusion given the sample size and bias towards offense given the limitations in college basketball on spacing data

Particularly flawed in the context of marginal benefit analysis of rotations when the game isn’t at risk.