*** Official #3 IOWA STATE vs Arizona Game(Day) Thread ***

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It's also been whats led to most of jones and gilberts success this season, and several of the points in this game as well.

That's true.

But forcing it like there's nothing else to do leads to run outs for the opponent.

Impatience (or lack thereof) was a factor last year and is this year. I'm hoping they can get it turned around.
 

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The chances that Love would make that shot were greater than the 1% or 2% many are claiming on here. Love had his momentum going straight toward the basket, and he was looking right at it.

That was the perfect situation to use your final timeout after Jefferson missed the first FT. Tell Jefferson to miss the 2nd FT and have 2 or 3 guys ready to trap whoever got the rebound (without fouling). The coaches and players will both learn from this. ISU also can't expect to win many games with 18 turnovers.
Dissecting the last play of regulation...ISU let Love drive to (IMO) the perfect spot on the floor to make the long desperation heave. If the opponent needs to make a desperation 3ptr with that little time left, the defense needs to herd the dribbler to the sideline. If the ref calls the foul, then the opponent has to pull off the make/miss/rebound/putback scenario. You just can't let the opponent dribble unencumbered to the ideal spot in that scenario. You can call the timeout after to first missed FT to set up the defense, or practice that scenario so the guys know what to do.

Some on-going issues I saw in the AZ game that aren't conducive to a deep tournament run (both already mentioned):
1) Got to make FTs, particularly on the road
2) Got to be able to break big scoring runs
 

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Maybe, but you forced their shooter to catch the ball going to the opposite end line, he didn’t get a head full of steam, shot a contested 3/4 shot and just buried it.

And yea, if Jefferson makes both free throws there, it doesn’t even matter. A lot of things lead to that being even a possibility to happen.
A double team could have forced him to the side of the court, making it a more difficult shot. We were not guarding the in bounce pass, so we might as well as taken that guy and doubled up on Love, being their best 3 point shooter.
 

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Was listening to the Wildcat Scoop postgame pod with Jason Scheer this morning. He said that game was top 3 game in the Mckay Center all time for him. Crowd was standing most of the game. He was very complimentary of the Cyclones and said they can win the national championship. Said the on-ball defense that ISU plays is elite and can't be simulated in practice. Knows they stole one there.

And that's quite a compliment. As a casual watcher of them over the years that place usually looked like a pretty crazy atmosphere regularly.
 

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Dissecting the last play of regulation...ISU let Love drive to (IMO) the perfect spot on the floor to make the long desperation heave. If the opponent needs to make a desperation 3ptr with that little time left, the defense needs to herd the dribbler to the sideline. If the ref calls the foul, then the opponent has to pull off the make/miss/rebound/putback scenario. You just can't let the opponent dribble unencumbered to the ideal spot in that scenario. You can call the timeout after to first missed FT to set up the defense, or practice that scenario so the guys know what to do.

Some on-going issues I saw in the AZ game that aren't conducive to a deep tournament run (both already mentioned):
1) Got to make FTs, particularly on the road
2) Got to be able to break big scoring runs

Percentage wise I think last night was their worst free throw shooting on the road and they were very good Saturday.

I chalk up turnovers as a bigger deal.
 

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And that's quite a compliment. As a casual watcher of them over the years that place usually looked like a pretty crazy atmosphere regularly.
If you listen to Arizona coach it was though he was preparing their fans for what could be coming when they go to Hilton.

How often do you hear a coach in his comments go out of his way to point out they are missing a key player
 

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Dissecting the last play of regulation...ISU let Love drive to (IMO) the perfect spot on the floor to make the long desperation heave. If the opponent needs to make a desperation 3ptr with that little time left, the defense needs to herd the dribbler to the sideline. If the ref calls the foul, then the opponent has to pull off the make/miss/rebound/putback scenario. You just can't let the opponent dribble unencumbered to the ideal spot in that scenario. You can call the timeout after to first missed FT to set up the defense, or practice that scenario so the guys know what to do.

Some on-going issues I saw in the AZ game that aren't conducive to a deep tournament run (both already mentioned):
1) Got to make FTs, particularly on the road
2) Got to be able to break big scoring runs
Chances are that if the defender is close enough that a foul could get called, Love (or any Arizona player) would have shot the ball early and tried to create contact to get three free throws. Hopefully the referees wouldn't fall for it, but if they did and Arizona tied the game that way, then everyone would be questioning why Iowa State defenders were close enough to make a foul on the shot possible.
 
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What is it about these nut punch losses that seem to hurt more the next day. Ugh. At the end of the year it's a missed opportunity at a quad 1 win. We've got more of those coming up. I guess if it looks like we're one quad 1 win short of a 1 seed it will definitely be a costly loss. Hopefully it doesn't come that and it's just another painful footnote in Cyclone history.
 

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Very true, I'd say we are in pretty good shape to get Milwaukee at this point.

Maybe I'm overrating both, but I want no part of Auburn or Duke until the Final 4.
Auburn rematch would be fun to watch. TBH, other than Flagg, Duke really isn't that bad of a matchup for us IMO. But again, Flagg is a matchup problem for almost everyone
 
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First time on here since the kick to the nads and haven't read one post as of now since the buzzer.

I'm not mad about the L. We weren't favored. They look to be a top 20 team for sure. Hell of a tough place to play. Jones was just way off. What a bummer.

I don't even think TJ should have said foul at the end. The chances of that shot going in are insanely rare. Hindsight is 20/20 I get that. In fact, if you ask me, when Jefferson missed that first FT, I would be more inclined to say hard miss that second one because they didn't have any timeouts and couldn't have set up a play out of bounds.

On to the next one. Still a top 4 team in the country.
 

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What is it about these nut punch losses that seem to hurt more the next day. Ugh. At the end of the year it's a missed opportunity at a quad 1 win. We've got more of those coming up. I guess if it looks like we're one quad 1 win short of a 1 seed it will definitely be a costly loss. Hopefully it doesn't come that and it's just another painful footnote in Cyclone history.
Because we had it won, at the line shooting two FT to ice the game, and we only make one and they hit a miracle shot to take it into OT. Games like that are worst than going out their and getting run off the court. ISU did not play great out in Arizona and still was a miracle shot away from winning both of them.
 

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A double team could have forced him to the side of the court, making it a more difficult shot. We were not guarding the in bounce pass, so we might as well as taken that guy and doubled up on Love, being their best 3 point shooter.

He’s not even close to their best 3 point shooter FYI. He barely shoots 30 percent. He makes a lot, because he shoots a lot. Percentage wise, he’s pretty bad for a guard of his caliber.
 
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He’s not even close to their best 3 point shooter FYI. He barely shoots 30 percent. He makes a lot, because he shoots a lot. Percentage wise, he’s pretty bad for a guard of his caliber.
But was he the best 3 point shoot on the floor for Arizona? I have no clue, but our coaches know who they cannot let beat them in that situation and that is the one that should have been doubled. We were not guarding the in bounce pass, why not double one of guards and force them to let the other guy, the guy we want shooting the ball do it.
 

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