Lunardi and Palm now project Iowa State as a 4-seed as Selection Sunday nears

[NYCYFan]

If ISU loses 3 non-con games, but beats Okie State and KSU but still only has one win over a tourney team over the last two months are you still putting them down to a 4?

I'm not even saying they won't be a 4; it wouldn't shock me and there's trends from the team from all season that suggest weirdness no matter the seed.

But using the last two months when it was the non-con apparently that hurt ISU last year doesn't seem to fit.

That's what I'm saying. I said Iowa State COULD be a 4 seed then I got a bunch of replies disputing what I was saying.

I'm using the last two months as an example because a poor two month stretch does somewhat cancel out the first half and it's also more indicative of what Iowa State is now. That team that almost beat Auburn and beat Tech on the road is a distant memory now. As I said before, that strong first half could carry them to a 3 seed but I think it's possible that it doesn't and that they weigh the last two months (the more recent sample size) more. That's really all I'm saying, is that it's a toss up between 3 and 4 seed IMO.

 

[NoCreativity]

Iowa State drew an inside straight on Q1 wins. Could easily be 5-7 instead of 10-7

You could make the same argument for many different teams like ISU if some opponents move up or down in the rankings 5 spots.

 

[Erik4Cy]

Lunardi can Palm deez nuts

 

[clone52]

You could make the same argument for many different teams like ISU if some opponents move up or down in the rankings 5 spots.

I am not talking 5 spot. 4 of their quad 1 wins at within 2 spots of being quad 2. 2 others are 4 spots away. And none of their q2 wins are close to q1. If you can find another team that comes close to that, be my guest.

 

[madguy30]

Lunardi can Palm deez nuts

Can we come back around to mocking these types?

ESPN is just getting their last bouts of hype in before they become an afterthought while TBS, CBS, TNT and True TV show how to cover an event for the next 3 weeks.

 

[clone52]

That's what I'm saying. I said Iowa State COULD be a 4 seed then I got a bunch of replies disputing what I was saying.

I'm using the last two months as an example because a poor two month stretch does somewhat cancel out the first half and it's also more indicative of what Iowa State is now. That team that almost beat Auburn and beat Tech on the road is a distant memory now. As I said before, that strong first half could carry them to a 3 seed but I think it's possible that it doesn't and that they weigh the last two months (the more recent sample size) more. That's really all I'm saying, is that it's a toss up between 3 and 4 seed IMO.

You are being over the top about the last two months. If the last 2 months mattered more than the two months prior to that, we would see BYU seeded higher than Iowa State.

 

[NoCreativity]

Late reply to this but if you think all Quad 1 wins are created equal then I have a bridge to sell you. For instance, Kentucky beat Tennesse twice while Iowa State is beating UCF and Kansas State. There's a wide gulf in quality there and you better believe the committee sees that.

I get it man, that's why they are called Q1 and Q1A separately. See my other post above, but every teams Quadrant breakdown will look completely different just moving teams around 5 spots.

Kentucky also lost more games than we did and were blown out in many of their losses. They do have the top end Duke and Tennessee wins though so they probably should be around a 3. I think we are competing more with Wisconsin and Texas A&M.

 

[WastedTalent]

I am not talking 5 spot. 4 of their quad 1 wins at within 2 spots of being quad 2. 2 others are 4 spots away. And none of their q2 wins are close to q1. If you can find another team that comes close to that, be my guest.

I just can't see the committee using a microscope to evaluate every team, especially the 2-10 seeded power 5 schools. As fans of Iowa St, of course we do, but it's much more likely the committee is looking at NET, Torvik, other rankings.

 

[clone52]

I just can't see the committee using a microscope to evaluate every team, especially the 2-10 seeded power 5 schools. As fans of Iowa St, of course we do, but it's much more likely the committee is looking at NET, Torvik, other rankings.

Yeah, Kenpom, KPI, SOR, BPI and WAB.

They also definitely look at quad 1a. And quads 1 and 2 as a whole.

Some of these things are great for Iowa State (Kenpom, torvik, BPI, Q1, Q1+2)

Some of these things are bad for Iowa State (KPI, SOR, WAB, q1a)

 

[danvillecyclone]

I can beat both Lunardi and Palm in a game of HORSE.

So I say: Cyclones a 3 in Milwaukee….maybe Wichita.

 

[dahliaclone]

Yeah, Kenpom, KPI, SOR, BPI and WAB.

They also definitely look at quad 1a. And quads 1 and 2 as a whole.

Some of these things are great for Iowa State (Kenpom, torvik, BPI, Q1, Q1+2)

Some of these things are bad for Iowa State (KPI, SOR, WAB, q1a)

they also 100% have said as recent as yesterday that injuries play a big role as well which benefits iowa state greatly

 

[dahliaclone]

I can beat both Lunardi and Palm in a game of HORSE.

So I say: Cyclones a 3 in Milwaukee….maybe Wichita.

won't be Wichita. TT and Houston heading there pretty sure

Milwaukee or Denver my guess

 

[clone52]

won't be Wichita. TT and Houston heading there pretty sure

Milwaukee or Denver my guess

I wouldn't be shocked if a Iowa State is ahead of Tech. Tech's record against quad 1a probably gives them the edge but injuries and head to head might bump up Iowa State.

 

[dahliaclone]

I wouldn't be shocked if a Iowa State is ahead of Tech. Tech's record against quad 1a probably gives them the edge but injuries and head to head might bump up Iowa State.

there is a 0% chance iowa state is ahead of tech.

 

[BCClone]

What does that matter? The facts are that they've beaten one tournament team since the Kansas win. That's an actual fact, it's not wallowing in misery.
That's what can drop them to a 4 seed potentially, the lack of any meat on their resume after that Kansas win on January 15th.

Does the committee only consider the last month or two?

 

[jdoggivjc]

won't be Wichita. TT and Houston heading there pretty sure

Milwaukee or Denver my guess

If we can stay ahead of at least one of Kentucky or Wisconsin we'll be in Milwaukee. Otherwise... Denver.

 

[clone52]

they also 100% have said as recent as yesterday that injuries play a big role as well which benefits iowa state greatly

Also benefits Texas A&M a lot

 

[jdoggivjc]

there is a 0% chance iowa state is ahead of tech.

If we were ahead of Tech we'd also be ahead of Wisconsin and Kentucky, which would put us in Milwaukee. There is, well, I don't want to say 0% chance we're not in Wichita, but it's not much higher than that.

 

[dahliaclone]

Also benefits Texas A&M a lot

so? we have three more Q1 wins. Higher substantially in the NET and KP. You can think A&M is where we are and maybe they are. I personally don't see it.

 

[CySmurf]

That's what I'm saying. I said Iowa State COULD be a 4 seed then I got a bunch of replies disputing what I was saying.

I'm using the last two months as an example because a poor two month stretch does somewhat cancel out the first half and it's also more indicative of what Iowa State is now. That team that almost beat Auburn and beat Tech on the road is a distant memory now. As I said before, that strong first half could carry them to a 3 seed but I think it's possible that it doesn't and that they weigh the last two months (the more recent sample size) more. That's really all I'm saying, is that it's a toss up between 3 and 4 seed IMO.

Has the committee contacted TJ about Lipsey's and Gilbert's availability next week...like they contacted Shayer about Flagg's availability? If not, why? And if yes, they have...does TJ saying they're both available get taken into account to keep us a 3 seed?