When do you think you will buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?

[KennyPratt42]

True but if you are going the EV route, why not just go ahead and get the quicker level 2 system and have the power line ran for it?

Cost, particularly if it's not really necissary. There is a real range of what it can cost depending on the house set up.

When we got our EV, I thought for sure I would get the electrical work done to have level two charging in the garage. After three years of ownership we've never had a need for anything more than the standard 120v outlet that was already right next to the car and with the electrical box on the far side of our finished basement it would be at least a couple thousand to get it put in, if not more.

 

[SCNCY]

Last year, my wife charged at home 359/365 days. Only 6 days did we go on trips longer than 300 miles in a day. I wish people would keep of track of how often they drive more than 250 miles in one day. Those 6 days were not a problem charging at Tesla chargers, just pointing out how rare it is for most people to charge outside of their house.

I think earlier on this thread, I had mentioned that this was a problem, and why I’d probably wait until I buy an electric car. The more I think about it, and casually read through this thread, the more I believe that people just don’t realize how much a non factor it is. Like, do we really need charging ports at retail and grocery stores? No. If your out running errands around town, I doubt your driving more than 300 or so miles. Looking back, I don’t understand people who are charging their car at Target or Whole Foods. If you have an electric car, I would hope you have charging equipment at your house/apartment. And that should be enough to get you around town.

The only big hurdle is the long drive stuff out of town stuff, where you would need a network of charging stations. But that Weill develop over time just like travel centers and gas stations and rest stops did on the nations highways. But how often do most people ho on long trips? Probably once a year.

 

[wxman1]

If you can charge one EV at home and use other cars for road trips, having one EV for most of the daily driving is certainly more convenient than a gas car.

If you only have EVs and road trip a lot it depends where you live but it can be an adventure. I’m learning to avoid certain areas that tend to have lines for charging and getting a better idea of where there won’t be a line. It’s a lot more tricky without Tesla network access, with that access think most of the country is fine (and was improving but in doubt now per cave reasons). Of course you need to adjust to idea of 15-35 minute fueling on a road trip vs 5 at the pump, but I expect that to keep trending down too. Really most people probably take more like 10-15 minutes at the gas station I’d guess.

If I could I would have bought an EV or a hybrid at minimum when I bought my passport used a few years ago. 99% of my driving is just around CR. Would also have looked more at if not bought a hybrid Pacifica instead of Odyssey as most of that driving is around CR as well.

 

[Mr Janny]

If you can charge one EV at home and use other cars for road trips, having one EV for most of the daily driving is certainly more convenient than a gas car.

If you only have EVs and road trip a lot it depends where you live but it can be an adventure. I’m learning to avoid certain areas that tend to have lines for charging and getting a better idea of where there won’t be a line. It’s a lot more tricky without Tesla network access, with that access think most of the country is fine (and was improving but in doubt now per cave reasons). Of course you need to adjust to idea of 15-35 minute fueling on a road trip vs 5 at the pump, but I expect that to keep trending down too. Really most people probably take more like 10-15 minutes at the gas station I’d guess.

This is what we do, and it's fine. Even better once I'm able to use the Tesla network, later this year. Actually just took the EV up to the Twin cities and back a few weekends back and it was great. Albert Lea has an Electrify America DC charging location and was a good stopping place for bathroom/snacks on the way there and back.

The level 2 home charger was a game changer for me. I had trepidation initially, but it's been great. No regrets.

 

[HFCS]

True but if you are going the EV route, why not just go ahead and get the quicker level 2 system and have the power line ran for it?

I thought for sure I would but my install runs on the difficult/expensive side and 13 months in level 1 has been fine and not yet worth the cost. If I switched my lifestyle where i was commuting 80-100 miles every single day it would become worth the cost and a top priority. As it is my average 20-30 miles a day makes the install like #15 in ranking things I want to spend money on my house, I'd like it, but I'd like a lot of other things more.

There's too many EV people out there saying "LEVEL 2 IS ABSOLUTE MUST HAVE!!!! SUPER IMPORTANT!!!!" and I really don't think that's true. Look at your driving habits and if a typical day is under 50 miles you'll probably be fine with level 1 charging. If your typical driving habits are putting 100 miles on the car every single day or every work day, yeah you need Level 2.

 

[HFCS]

I think earlier on this thread, I had mentioned that this was a problem, and why I’d probably wait until I buy an electric car. The more I think about it, and casually read through this thread, the more I believe that people just don’t realize how much a non factor it is. Like, do we really need charging ports at retail and grocery stores? No. If your out running errands around town, I doubt your driving more than 300 or so miles. Looking back, I don’t understand people who are charging their car at Target or Whole Foods. If you have an electric car, I would hope you have charging equipment at your house/apartment. And that should be enough to get you around town.

The only big hurdle is the long drive stuff out of town stuff, where you would need a network of charging stations. But that Weill develop over time just like travel centers and gas stations and rest stops did on the nations highways. But how often do most people ho on long trips? Probably once a year.

When I had a phev that could only do 20 miles on the electric range those free chargers around town were really helpful to basically keep me from using any gas that costs 5x more than my home electric fuel.

Now with an EV it’s like a little bonus but I really don’t care about using them.

The pay fast chargers you see at a wal mart are totally different. They are for people on a 500 mile road trip or who cannot charge at home at all.

 

[mramseyISU]

I thought for sure I would but my install runs on the difficult/expensive side and 13 months in level 1 has been fine and not yet worth the cost. If I switched my lifestyle where i was commuting 80-100 miles every single day it would become worth the cost and a top priority. As it is my average 20-30 miles a day makes the install like #15 in ranking things I want to spend money on my house, I'd like it, but I'd like a lot of other things more.

There's too many EV people out there saying "LEVEL 2 IS ABSOLUTE MUST HAVE!!!! SUPER IMPORTANT!!!!" and I really don't think that's true. Look at your driving habits and if a typical day is under 50 miles you'll probably be fine with level 1 charging. If your typical driving habits are putting 100 miles on the car every single day or every work day, yeah you need Level 2.

That really depends on what EV you have. If you're driving a F150 lightning you gain about a mile of range per hour you're plugged into a 120V outlet. I would argue that if you have one of those or one of the bigger EV's then you really want to have a 240V outlet available to charge unless your commute is less than 10 or 15 miles a day. Now if you're talking a Model 3 or a Mach E you're probably fine getting by with the 120V.

 

[HFCS]

That really depends on what EV you have. If you're driving a F150 lightning you gain about a mile of range per hour you're plugged into a 120V outlet. I would argue that if you have one of those or one of the bigger EV's then you really want to have a 240V outlet available to charge unless your commute is less than 10 or 15 miles a day. Now if you're talking a Model 3 or a Mach E you're probably fine getting by with the 120V.

That’s very true and part of the point. People need to learn more about it for their specific needs rather than blurting an absolute. My building has 10 identical units, 18 cars total in the 20 garage spaces, and 8 EVs now. I don’t think a single one of us has had the level 2 install yet although a new guy just completely renovated before moving in and has Teslas so i need to ask him. Yeah for a full size truck or a 120 mile a day commuter it’s different but I constantly see people (on Reddit) claiming level 2 is 100% necessary and it’s just not true for everybody.

 

[do4CY]

Not sure where to put this so I am posting here. My lease is ending on my 2023 Subaru. Thinking of turning it in and getting a Ford Maverick hybrid. My wife wants me to get AWD, but I am having doubts that it is really necessary here in Ankeny. Yeah, I can see some days it would be welcomed, but for the majority of the year probably not. The salesperson said that today's front wheel drive vehicles with all their tech is so good that many times if not off roading or towing, which I won't be, it really isn't necessary. I was wondering if any had opinions to share.

Think about how many fwd vehicles manage to get around on those few days that awd would be nice. Having only fwd might hurt resale if you aren't leasing it.

 

[do4CY]

I've had my f-150 lightning for just over a year. I drove just under 24,000 miles. I have had to fast charge it once for 10 minutes, otherwise I have only charged it at home. I haul things with it, I tow things frequently and it has seen a lot of gravel and mud. Even had a nice lady ask if I needed a jump when she saw that I had my hood up, I had to explain to her that I was just putting some stuff away.

On the recent discussion of charging. I use a level 2 that I installed for my lightning, a level 1 wouldn't cut it. My wife drives about the same amount of miles as me and she uses a level 1 charger 98% of the time. Every once in a while she will use the level 2.

 

[HFCS]

I've had my f-150 lightning for just over a year. I drove just under 24,000 miles. I have had to fast charge it once for 10 minutes, otherwise I have only charged it at home. I haul things with it, I tow things frequently and it has seen a lot of gravel and mud. Even had a nice lady ask if I needed a jump when she saw that I had my hood up, I had to explain to her that I was just putting some stuff away.

On the recent discussion of charging. I use a level 2 that I installed for my lightning, a level 1 wouldn't cut it. My wife drives about the same amount of miles as me and she uses a level 1 charger 98% of the time. Every once in a while she will use the level 2.

There's a Lightning in my neighborhood and I saw it parked right next to a Cybertruck and just laughed at the comparison.

I don't know where they went but the Cybertrucks are noticeably more rare now than 6 months ago.

I charged next to a Chevy Silverado EV this morning at free chargers at a park, maybe first time I've seen one in the city.

 

[Clonehomer]

There's a Lightning in my neighborhood and I saw it parked right next to a Cybertruck and just laughed at the comparison.

I don't know where they went but the Cybertrucks are noticeably more rare now than 6 months ago.

I charged next to a Chevy Silverado EV this morning at free chargers at a park, maybe first time I've seen one in the city.

We’ve got two cyber trucks in our neighborhood. Coincidently, both are driven by a couple ‘look at me’ type of guys. Those tires will know nothing but concrete. I don’t know that they’re more rare than 6 months ago as they are expensive enough that people aren’t getting rid of them. But you sure aren’t seeing many new ones pop up in the wild.

Lightning and Silverados are nice in that you don’t notice immediately that they’re any different. Even Rivians look similar to the other trucks on the road. If it weren’t for the headlights, you probably wouldn’t notice them either. But I guess it’s all about how much you want to stand out.

 

[HFCS]

We’ve got two cyber trucks in our neighborhood. Coincidently, both are driven by a couple ‘look at me’ type of guys. Those tires will know nothing but concrete. I don’t know that they’re more rare than 6 months ago as they are expensive enough that people aren’t getting rid of them. But you sure aren’t seeing many new ones pop up in the wild.

Lightning and Silverados are nice in that you don’t notice immediately that they’re any different. Even Rivians look similar to the other trucks on the road. If it weren’t for the headlights, you probably wouldn’t notice them either. But I guess it’s all about how much you want to stand out.

Yeah I’m guessing my awd Solterra and Crosstrek before it see more light off-road than 99% of Cybertruck and I only need it maybe 5-10 times a year. I will give the smaller Rivian a serious look if they ever release.

I know someone with a Rivian but it’s not really a practical choice for their mostly urban life. They have a huge dog so that’s nice.

 

[mramseyISU]

There's a Lightning in my neighborhood and I saw it parked right next to a Cybertruck and just laughed at the comparison.

I don't know where they went but the Cybertrucks are noticeably more rare now than 6 months ago.

I charged next to a Chevy Silverado EV this morning at free chargers at a park, maybe first time I've seen one in the city.

If I had waited another month or two I probably would have ended up with a lightning instead of the Tundra hybrid I have. I've driven one some and really like them a lot. I'm probably done buying vehicles for a while now but if I was going to buy an electric truck the Lightning is probably the one to get. The Chevy reminds me too much of those Avalanches and that's not a good thing.

 

[besserheimerphat]

I've got two kids getting their driver's licenses next month so I need to buy 2 cars in the next 6 weeks before school starts. I'll probably stay with gas due to the very limited budget. My biggest issue is I get short notice trips to either the corporate or division offices that are about 120 miles round trip. Lots of the pure electrics I've seen in the price range I need are <100 mile range. That would be fine for commuting, but coordinating with the kids on the days I have to go south could be difficult. I need to talk to my wife and see if she'd be open to trade cars on those days.

I love cars but I ******* hate car shopping.

 

[BoxsterCy]

One of the last comments in this short review of the new VW e-bus made me chuckle. Guy doing the review reminded me of Kevin from Bitchin' Rides on Motor Trend channel.

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[RagingCloner]

Hate to be the guy that bumps this thread, but i bit the bullet today and leased a brand new 2025 Ford Lightning. As a ford dealer employee, deal was too good to pass up. Nothing fancy as its just an XLT with the regular range battery, but i have to admit i never thought i would own/drive an EV

 

[bstegs]

That really depends on what EV you have. If you're driving a F150 lightning you gain about a mile of range per hour you're plugged into a 120V outlet. I would argue that if you have one of those or one of the bigger EV's then you really want to have a 240V outlet available to charge unless your commute is less than 10 or 15 miles a day. Now if you're talking a Model 3 or a Mach E you're probably fine getting by with the 120V.

As an F150 Lightning owner, after I made my first long trip and it took my truck 5 days to charge up, I was desperate for my L2 charger install to happen.

 

[bstegs]

I charged next to a Chevy Silverado EV this morning at free chargers at a park, maybe first time I've seen one in the city.

I stopped to charge somewhere along I80 in Illinois and suddenly two of these with the window stickers still in them pulled up. I was really impressed by them, but I'm pretty sure they were around 100k or more each.

 

[RagingCloner]

I stopped to charge somewhere along I80 in Illinois and suddenly two of these with the window stickers still in them pulled up. I was really impressed by them, but I'm pretty sure they were around 100k or more each.

I sell for a Chevy/GMC/Ford/Chrysler dealer. GM EV's are by FAR the most expensive