When do you think you will buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?

[dmclone]

100% agree, they flipped that perception 180 degrees. Instead of the underpowered, slow, unsexy car for wienerless wimps, they made EVs into instant-acceleration rocket sleds that even motorheads could look at and say "the 0-60 time is WHAT?!?!"

I don't think many people now are hesitating to buy an EV because they think it threatens their manhood - like buying a minivan maybe. Now it's just range anxiety, maybe battery life concerns, etc. Which is a lot less emotional and can be overcome with education and time.

100%. It's been fun to watch the transformation. I had a muscle car in high school that was considered a rocket ship for the time because it ran low 13 second 1/4 mile times. I had a bunch of sports cars over the years. Now my wife's family car would curb stomp all of those cars and it's not even the fast version. It will do it every single time, over and over. No wheel spin, no missing gears, no damage done, etc.

When they first came out you heard "Well they may be fast off the line but....". Now that has been debunked

Pretty much all they have now is that they sound good, look good, and handle well. A lot of the "sound well" is now manufactures pumping in fake engine noise, and the majority of sports car owners idea of hitting the limits of handling involves going around 20mph roundabouts in Grimes.

 

[HFCS]

100% agree, they flipped that perception 180 degrees. Instead of the underpowered, slow, unsexy car for wienerless wimps, they made EVs into instant-acceleration rocket sleds that even motorheads could look at and say "the 0-60 time is WHAT?!?!"

I don't think many people now are hesitating to buy an EV because they think it threatens their manhood - like buying a minivan maybe. Now it's just range anxiety, maybe battery life concerns, etc. Which is a lot less emotional and can be overcome with education and time.

It’s really obvious in LA among the trend setters with big money crowd that gas cars aren’t cool anymore.

I see the electric Porsche models all over the place. There’s a baby blue version that is particularly common. More hilarious is that image obsessed wannabe dorks are wrapping the Model 3 in the same color. It seems irrelevant or obnoxious but that’s how trends and “cool factor” have always spread across the country.

 

[HOTDON]

It’s really obvious in LA among the trend setters with big money crowd that gas cars aren’t cool anymore.

I see the electric Porsche models all over the place. There’s a baby blue version that is particularly common. More hilarious is that image obsessed wannabe dorks are wrapping the Model 3 in the same color. It seems irrelevant or obnoxious but that’s how trends and “cool factor” have always spread across the country.

The California take rate vs the Iowa take rate for electrics is *giggles at pun* shocking. I haven't been out to LA for a couple years, but anything Iowans are currently learning about range, emergency response, resale, etc. California learned 5+ years ago.

 

[dmclone]

The California take rate vs the Iowa take rate for electrics is *giggles at pun* shocking. I haven't been out to LA for a couple years, but anything Iowans are currently learning about range, emergency response, resale, etc. California learned 5+ years ago.

It's nuts that in 2024, the California sales looked like this:

• 1. Tesla Model Y – 128,923 registrations. Far ahead of the competition, the Model Y was California's best-selling vehicle for the third straight year
  2. Toyota RAV4 – 65,041 registrations, the most popular compact SUV in the state
  3. Toyota Camry – 55,027 registrations, making it the top-selling passenger car
  4. Tesla Model 3 – 53,056 registrations, ranking just behind Camry
  5. Honda Civic – 42,564 registrations, securing a strong position among compact sedans
• 
  Additional top models, based on broader segment data, include:
  
  
  • Honda CR‑V – 49,920 (among top light trucks)
  • Chevrolet Silverado – 37,655
  • Ford F‑Series – 36,546

Apparently, they've tried them and love them

 

[CycloneDaddy]

It's nuts that in 2024, the California sales looked like this:

• 1. Tesla Model Y – 128,923 registrations. Far ahead of the competition, the Model Y was California's best-selling vehicle for the third straight year
  2. Toyota RAV4 – 65,041 registrations, the most popular compact SUV in the state
  3. Toyota Camry – 55,027 registrations, making it the top-selling passenger car
  4. Tesla Model 3 – 53,056 registrations, ranking just behind Camry
  5. Honda Civic – 42,564 registrations, securing a strong position among compact sedans
• 
  Additional top models, based on broader segment data, include:
  
  • Honda CR‑V – 49,920 (among top light trucks)
  • Chevrolet Silverado – 37,655
  • Ford F‑Series – 36,546

Apparently, they've tried them and love them

$5+ gas and tax incentives probably helped those #s.

 

[TitanClone]

$5+ gas and tax incentives probably helped those #s.

Definitely. Funny thing is $5 is still cheap for pretty much everywhere outside of the states. Looking forward to paying $7+/gallon in Ireland in a few weeks on my rental.

 

[clonechemist]

It's nuts that in 2024, the California sales looked like this:

• 1. Tesla Model Y – 128,923 registrations. Far ahead of the competition, the Model Y was California's best-selling vehicle for the third straight year
  2. Toyota RAV4 – 65,041 registrations, the most popular compact SUV in the state
  3. Toyota Camry – 55,027 registrations, making it the top-selling passenger car
  4. Tesla Model 3 – 53,056 registrations, ranking just behind Camry
  5. Honda Civic – 42,564 registrations, securing a strong position among compact sedans
• 
  Additional top models, based on broader segment data, include:
  
  • Honda CR‑V – 49,920 (among top light trucks)
  • Chevrolet Silverado – 37,655
  • Ford F‑Series – 36,546

Apparently, they've tried them and love them

Crazy - Rav4 is top selling vehicle in US overall, so the fact it’s doubled up by model Y in the biggest state is crazy

 

[dmclone]

$5+ gas and tax incentives probably helped those #s.

For sure. What interesting is where it said "for the third straight year". So 22, 23, and 24. The tax incentives started 1/1/2023. In 2022, the Model Y was selling for $15k more back then.


Below is a detailed history of the Tesla Model Y Long Range All-Wheel Drive (AWD) prices in the U.S


**2019**:
- **March 2019**: Announced at $51,000
- **April 2019**: Increased by $1,000 to $52,000

**2020**:
- **Early 2020**: Price increased by $990 to ~$52,990.

2022
June 2022: Price peaked at $65,990
December 2022: Still at $65,990, with no federal tax credit applied at the time.


2023

- **January 12, 2023**: Price dropped to $53,490, and with the $7,500 federal tax credit (post-Inflation Reduction Act), the effective net price was ~$45,990.
- **February 4, 2023**: Increased by $1,000 to $54,490.
- **April 2023**: Decreased by $2,000 to $52,490, alongside a $3,000 cut later in the month, bringing it to $49,490.[
- **October 5, 2023**: Dropped to an all-time low of $48,490


2024

- **January 12, 2024**: Price at $48,490, with the $7,500 point-of-sale tax credit bringing the effective price to $41,490.
- **February 9, 2024**: Increased to $48,990.
- **March 1, 2024**: Increased by $1,000 to $49,990
- **April 1, 2024**: Increased to ~$49,990, noted as the highest in the prior 6 months
- **April 19, 2024**: Decreased by $2,000 to $47,990

 

[VeloClone]

Definitely. Funny thing is $5 is still cheap for pretty much everywhere outside of the states. Looking forward to paying $7+/gallon in Ireland in a few weeks on my rental.

Nah, you'll be paying $2 for gas. It's cheap.

*per litre

 

[CascadeClone]

The California take rate vs the Iowa take rate for electrics is *giggles at pun* shocking. I haven't been out to LA for a couple years, but anything Iowans are currently learning about range, emergency response, resale, etc. California learned 5+ years ago.

The "Des Moines is 10 years in the past" thing from South Park is legit. There are worse things to be though...

 

[NorthCyd]

The "Des Moines is 10 years in the past" thing from South Park is legit. There are worse things to be though...

Hey, it's only 3 years behind dammit!

 

[mramseyISU]

Definitely. Funny thing is $5 is still cheap for pretty much everywhere outside of the states. Looking forward to paying $7+/gallon in Ireland in a few weeks on my rental.

I normally assume gas will be $6/gal on average more in the EU when I'm over there. Last time I did much driving there I had an opal diesel and it was 120 euros to fill it up and that was 6 years ago.