Looking at 2 excellent freshmen RBs

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Did they still have the sit out year then? Kene had the same issue under Campbell. He was great at hitting the hole but not so much at turning the corner.

And I wasn't insinuating that it was nefarious but it was underutilizing talent.

Yeah, I think that was when they still had to sit out a year. I feel like if the same situation happened today, Campbell would find a way to get Warren on the field more...even if it was changing positions.
 

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Yeah, I think that was when they still had to sit out a year. I feel like if the same situation happened today, Campbell would find a way to get Warren on the field more...even if it was changing positions.
Ya maybe. He just said Ike should have played more last year though. It's not like it's a one time occurrence. Lanning, Warren, Ezeogu come to mind.
 
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The staff must love Flora, they had multiple packages just for him to use in his 4 games. We've never really seen them do that with anyone else. They really made an effort to get him involved, hopefully they do the same with the young guys this year.

This will be a make or break year for Sama. Hansen is miles ahead of him, the freshmen appear to be on his heels.
 
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The staff must love Flora, they had multiple packages just for him to use in his 4 games. We've never really seen them do that with anyone else. They really made an effort to get him involved, hopefully they do the same with the young guys this year.

This will be a make or break year for Sama. Hansen is miles ahead of him, the freshmen appear to be on his heels.
Is Hansen really "miles ahead"? He had 151 carries to Sama's 124 last year. 5.0 yds/rush to 4.7.
 

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That's actually an area I would criticize Campbell, specifically that situation. Montgomery is one of if not my favorite player of all time but that doesn't warrant benching Warren. He clearly had the talent. Not the only time Campbell has underutilized players either.
I remember thinking it was a painful situation at the time. I looked back at the stats from that season and I was surprised Warren actually had significantly more carries than David. It appears that it was David’s second year where he really took over as the lead back and Warren’s YPC dropped.
 

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I remember thinking it was a painful situation at the time. I looked back at the stats from that season and I was surprised Warren actually had significantly more carries than David. It appears that it was David’s second year where he really took over as the lead back and Warren’s YPC dropped.
Warren got benched really hard for a portion of the season. It was because of a fumble. Kene had a similar relationship with Campbell.
 

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I remember thinking it was a painful situation at the time. I looked back at the stats from that season and I was surprised Warren actually had significantly more carries than David. It appears that it was David’s second year where he really took over as the lead back and Warren’s YPC dropped.
Warren carried 134 times in Campbell's first year, but only averaged 4.2 yards per carry and had trouble hanging on to the ball. The following year Montgomery became the full time starter and Warren had the 2nd most carries of all the RBs and barely averaged over 3 yards per carry, but he was used as a kick returner. He got his opportunities, but things just didn't work out unfortunately.
 

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If he was just a touch faster in open field he would be all world.
Carson was dinged up last season, and at least a step slow. He and Abu had almost identical HS 100m times.

For those who don’t remember, against UCF, one guy caught him in about three steps, only instead of tackling, shoved Carson into the end zone. Much like Abu’s shove the year before—was that KState?
I don’t think it’s the worst take in the world. Not that I’m calling for it, but if he’s sitting 3rd on the depth chart and we are struggling at CB opposite Williams…
We aren’t remotely struggling at the corner opposite Jontez, especially in terms of switching Abu at this point.

Four guys who can play, at least.
 
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We aren’t remotely struggling at the corner opposite Jontez, especially in terms of switching Abu at this point.

Four guys who can play, at least.
At first blush, I thought it was a rather absurd suggestion also, but reading this thread and doing a bit more research, if a couple of the young guys step up and can compliment Hansen, switching Abu might not be the craziest thing in the world. He was being recruited primarily for defense before he blew up late his senior year in HS. Anyone remember Jamaine Billups? Thought he was going to be the next big thing at RB, but it never really clicked and he ended up as a really solid safety his last two years.
 
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Not much talk about Jayden Jackson. Kind of our forgotten freshman RB. He was a late add to the class and wasn’t an early enrollee. His highlights look like the real deal. I like his ability to follow his blocks and his physicality. Bigger back. Our RB room is loaded with talent.


I'm not sure if I've ever seen a highlight reel where the RB makes that many long TD runs, or just breakaway runs. Impressive!

Jayden Jackson, a name to remember? Soon hopefully.
 
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That's actually an area I would criticize Campbell, specifically that situation. Montgomery is one of if not my favorite player of all time but that doesn't warrant benching Warren. He clearly had the talent. Not the only time Campbell has underutilized players either.

Warren fumbled quite a bit (ESPN shows no fumbles which isn't true; see 2015 KSU meltdown for examole) and iirc played early with CMC but was largely inneffective.

I think the 2015 OL was actually pretty good at run blocking which may have helped.
 

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Warren fumbled quite a bit (ESPN shows no fumbles which isn't true; see 2015 KSU meltdown for examole) and iirc played early with CMC but was largely inneffective.

I think the 2015 OL was actually pretty good at run blocking which may have helped.
He ran for 1339 yards as a freshman averaging 5.9 yds with 5 TD. Yes, he had his fumble issues.
 

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He ran for 1339 yards as a freshman averaging 5.9 yds with 5 TD. Yes, he had his fumble issues.

Yep which doesn't mean it's going to continue and there could be several factors involved.

For starters, David Montgomery must have emerged to be better and more reliable in several aspects.
 

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I don't understand all the people knocking on Sama so much. Honestly, IMO, he probably has the most athletic ability of all the RB's that were on the team last year. He made some runs that I truly believe only he could make. He has the speed, the strength, pretty good vision, can catch passes, can juke people, pass protect decently, etc, etc.

IMO, he just HAS to clean up his ball security... and just has to get a better feel for when he should try to break it outside for more yardage or just take what he's got. I think the depth chart is probably.... Carson, Sama, Lee/Flora, Peppers, Jackson... but leaving room for either Peppers or Jackson to potentially move up in fall practice this summer.

I still always go back to Sama's run in the video clip below starting at the 27 second mark. I guy with that ability has to play... as long as he cleans up his fumbling.

 

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Carson was dinged up last season, and at least a step slow. He and Abu had almost identical HS 100m times.

For those who don’t remember, against UCF, one guy caught him in about three steps, only instead of tackling, shoved Carson into the end zone. Much like Abu’s shove the year before—was that KState?

We aren’t remotely struggling at the corner opposite Jontez, especially in terms of switching Abu at this point.

Four guys who can play, at least.

I'm not saying we ARE struggling at CB. I'm saying if we WERE, that would be a viable option. Like it or not, at this point all four guys looking to replace Porter are unproven at this level. The most likely scenario is that one of those 4 steps up and proves himself.
 

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Peppers looks rather spicy in the backfield, with some blistering bursts of speed, combined with eye-watering moves that will leave defenders choking and gasping for breath. Looking forward to seeing the heat this season.